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Daniel Franco
Hey Everyone. Welcome back. My name is Daniel Franco, managing director of Synergy IQ and host of the Creating Synergy podcast. So in this episode, we're joined by Flavia Tata Nardini, who is co-founder and CEO of Fleet Space Technologies. Flavia is a self-proclaimed space geek and she shares with us her journey from all the way from Italy to her current role, where she is at the cutting edge of space technology in fleet space.

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Daniel Franco
So, Flavia is a successful entrepreneur who has dealt with all the highs and lows of being involved in the tech industry. And she opens up with us her struggles with depression and how she's actually managed that through her career. She also shares with us her thoughts on leadership and how sports play an amazing role in entrepreneurship. We also discussed the exciting projects that Fleet Space are working on and the revolutionary technology that has the absolute ability to change the mining industry.

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Daniel Franco
This technology has already garnered attention with fleet space being named as one of Australia's top 20 startups to watch. Finally, and I had to add this in Flavia doesn't drink coffee and somehow sleeps 10 hours a night. You heard that correctly, doesn't drink coffee and sleeps 10 hours a night. So make sure you stay right to the end where we have a special segment where we interviewed Flavia's children and they share their thoughts on their mother.

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Daniel Franco
I hope you enjoy this fun, enlightening and engaging conversation with Flavia Tata Nardini. Without further ado, here it is. So welcome back to the Creating Synergy podcast. My name is Daniel Franco and today we have the amazing Flavia Tata Nardini on the show. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Thanks for having me.

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Daniel Franco
I have been really excited about this. Your name has been recommended to me more times than you can imagine. You gotta get Flavia on, you gotta get Flavia on. And so finally, we're sitting here. So thanks for joining us. Let's start at the beginning.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Okay.

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Daniel Franco
Where did we start headed? How did the world of Flavia come about and how did you find yourself here in Australia?

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Australia.

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Daniel Franco
Fleet space and working in this wonderful world of space and engineering.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Flavia Okay, so Italian born in a beautiful city called Rome.

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Daniel Franco
I knew there was a connection.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Exactly. Like, Yeah, I don't sound really Aussie, do I? So I was born in this beautiful city. Rome was amazing. Big family. Yeah. Like five siblings. Always been a little bit of a space nerd. So all my brothers and sisters have done engineering or university of economics and. But I loved space that asked you know that has me why I think I was born with the space bug because I studied very early.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. Um, what did inspire me? It's funny to think about it, because the things they inspire me are pretty odd. I love the movies. Like, you know, E.T. and all those weird extraterrestrial movies. That's what I loved. I loved them and still do. I still do. It still makes me cry when I watch it. So my first thing that I wanted to find, either for my life, I was obsessed with it and it was like this.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
I was seven and eight and yeah, that was my first thing. Yeah. And the stars. And then the more and I just couldn't couldn't help it.

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Daniel Franco
Was it something that your parents fostered in you?

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Were they, like not know you found that yourself.

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Daniel Franco
This general curiosity kicked in.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
And that's it. So my brothers and sister went in different direction and whole fell in love with something else. We had a beautiful house and not far from Rome. In the mountains. Yeah, Man, these guys were good. Yeah, there. There is a period in the northern atmosphere in the middle of August, I think is shifting in time as usual at the 15th of August, where you got all the shooting stars.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
It's two or three days of shooting stars, or you are there and you see them like hundred of nights. Yeah. Oh, God. Like I was little. I was looking at it and thinking, It must be the most beautiful things I've ever seen. Yeah, it is. So sometimes, you know, now that I'm a mom, I reflect. I did my parents.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
What did my parents do? You know, to get it was a lot of something that I have inside that wonderful family. I looked up some problems was not I had a beautiful child with you, but, you know, I don't want to tell him to yell at each other. Yeah, well, you know, my parents divorce was a big disaster, but I had these things inside me.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
So when I was the.

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Daniel Franco
Shooting stars thing. Yeah, I've changed my life. I made a critical decision in my life on the fact.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
On the on that shooting star daddy had turned out to be.

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Daniel Franco
Well, I should remember I was out the I was out the back of my house looking up and I was in like this period of what should I do with my life? You know, that sort of thinking point and it just happened to be is like, should I go and start this business or not? Should I start, my God?

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Daniel Franco
And then this shooting star sort of flew by and I just went, okay.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
I have to do an answer.

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Daniel Franco
I they're like, I'm a big believer in omen. So I was like.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
This is so beautiful. And I'm going to tell you something funny about shooting stars, because I think shooting stars is the reason why I'm doing what I'm doing. That is very odd, But, you know, a couple of years ago, I went to camping, we drove on the beach, the Coorong, you know, on this side of Adelaide. So really like on the beach.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
And for the first time I was like watching the outer atmosphere stars a little bit different. And so this would have been probably like 30 years after those first girl watching shooting stars. Yeah. And the thing I love that the sky was beautiful. The four stars were loved it. But if but what I saw in the sky that night so I saw a shooting star and I thought, how beautiful.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
let’s make a wish. Then I saw another one. I'm like, how beautiful. And then I realized that were all in a line and they were at the same cadence. And I realized what SpaceX's StarLink satellites and I'm like, Oh, those are not shooting stars. So it kind of made me think like, okay, that's seven years ago. I love shooting stars that were real shooting stars 30 year after we got satellites in the sky pretending to be stars.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
And I'm like, Ooh, that's a lot of happening for years

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Daniel Franco
Did you did you not have a background in space already, though, before when you saw that? Or was that when you said, Aha, that's it, I'm going to build satellites from this point on.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
When I was little or when I was.

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Daniel Franco
When you were on the beach of the craft?

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, it was 2 years ago. I had it. So I suddenly knew that StarLink was launching stuff is just I didn't realize that you could see them and then they looked like a shooting star. So it just kind of this 30 years of journey or I looking for real shooting stars to realize is that humankind's are launching artificial that it like kind of mixed feelings but yeah that's how we started we got a lot of shooting star around the 15th of August in the northern hemisphere.

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Daniel Franco
That's amazing. Is it still happened today. Is that like a lot of the yeah the cycle.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Is a part of the cycle and is so beautiful.

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Daniel Franco
In the northern hemisphere of Italy, in the mountains.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
I think Europe in the mountains as you are there just put your nose up. Yeah.

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Daniel Franco
We because we have something similar here in Australia.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah.

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Daniel Franco
And it's in winter I we can always cloudy.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Sky and I see that. Yeah.

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Daniel Franco
Yeah. Very frustrating because I'm a big geek, I don't have a telescope or anything like that. It's definitely on my to buy list. But yeah. To get away and just look up at the stars.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Beautiful. Yeah. Unbelievable. Makes you feel so small. It makes you feel like you need to do a lot to contribute to them. Humankind, Not a little. Yeah.

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Daniel Franco
Are you a Carl Sagan fan or anything like that? Like the pale blue dot?

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Yes. Yes. I'm a fan of a lot of weird things.

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Daniel Franco
He's yeah, he's pale blue dot, which is like the definition of earth and the way yeah, it's in this universe is by far one of my favorite sort of speeches that.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
I see beautiful. And he makes so much sense, right? So I want to be an astronaut, of course, and I think I still do. At least that feeling of wanted to go outside and look outside in at that beauty. Yeah. I feel that your soul is putting everything in perspective, right?

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Daniel Franco
So it would. So it's going back. Growing up, looking up at the stars, curiosity kicks in play. At what point in your study, in your junior career did you go, right? That's it. This is the world that I'm going into. This is what I want to be. I want to get into engineering. I want to become a rocket scientist.

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Daniel Franco
I want to do all that.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
So during my, let's say, primary schools, I wanted to become an astronaut. During my high school, I thought, okay, I should choose math and science. And I was good at it. I was a basketball player, so I was a professional basketball player. So there was a lot going on in my life and I love basketball and I had this team is really beautiful.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
So we were already team traveling all around Italy, but we were all starting it. And meanwhile, yeah, it made and I wanted to work with the planets and study didn't know what to do you know was astrophysics to become an astronaut. I really do. You don't know when you're 15? No.

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Daniel Franco
You still don't know now? Yeah.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
I'm 40. I still don’t know like I wanted to play basketball, I wanted to go party, but then my brothers, some of them were engineers and said, you know, you should do space engineering. And I thought, okay, this sounds about right. I'm a good student, as always. I love studying. Yeah, but I got very I was getting very bored of school.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
I was a terrible, terrible students in the classroom too.

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Daniel Franco
Slow pace for you is that.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
I don't know. I was always in that. And a lot of people laugh about this. Always in the stairs, always, half asleep, My dad will use to bring me a lot of pizza. So I was eating all these pizza all the way to the classroom, went to the principal a lot. But every time I was putting my head into something, I always had, you know, the best grades.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
And so I decided I was going to say to you, I know I have a sister that I have to think about why she is like one year younger than me and she's totally the opposite of me. She has to put a lot of work. You know, she's probably saying capabilities as me, but she was studying so much.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
So she hated me as well. Yeah, I can.

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Daniel Franco
See that with my two daughters now I've got an 11 year old and a nine year old, I think. I can't remember the name or something, but yeah, my youngest just pick things up in a heartbeat, you.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Know, and it's so easy.

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Daniel Franco
Yeah. And my oldest is just like you have.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
To put the effort.

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Daniel Franco
Grinding through and you can. Yeah it's really interesting I think. I think like my, like my oldest daughter, I had to grind the whole time.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
I've got two daughters as well and they're very similar. You know, when I went to uni and he was, I was the same terrible as even a basketball, right. You know I was playing in tight the tie game was captained for some years by you. You see me when I was training, I wasn't. I didn't like training. Yeah, you know, so always arriving late.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
My, my coach always thought that it was amazing how a person that didn't train could. So. And it was such a, like, a little body at all. Like a little giraffe could sustain games like that. It's like it's against everything that I've learned about, you know, working hard.

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Daniel Franco
Does that frustrate you in a way? Now, looking back and not so much from our point of view, but because you're obviously very successful in your own right now. But looking back on, if I just if I knew what I knew now and how hard I could have represented.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
That could conquer the world in a try this I think I am lazy as a soul, not as a mind. Yeah, but it's sort of the body are lazy. Yeah. So my mind can push through everything. So probably yeah. Yeah I think about it because it was wasn't say when I was a union know, you know I went to uni and I did space engineering, aerospace engineering and I master and I came at the master with the highest grade.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Right. But you should have seen me a uni. Yeah I, I have a best friend that we went through uni together and she was the girl that was there at 830 taking all the knots and she was used to call me at ten. Where are you? I'm sleeping. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How you going to take the notes? Can you give me the notes?

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Okay.

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Daniel Franco
Annoyed?

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, I was that horrible Gare, you know, never. They always, you know, I was always playing and I mean I she was always giving me the notes, but loved party. So, you know, I'll used to go party and wake up at 12, but then I would go to an exam as a mass shit. Yeah.

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Daniel Franco
And like a photographic memory.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Completely. 100,000,000% photographic memories.

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Daniel Franco
That look like explosion.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Is absolutely amazing.

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Daniel Franco
Explain to us normal people.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
So normal people. Photographic memory is is just a gift. Okay, so the way I've been studying and, you know, if I look back, I don't think I really understood anything. You know, I'm probably clever, though, what I give credit for, but my exams are you and me, right? We had these massive books. Huge books, right. A thousand pages of electronic circuits.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
So my methodology was the following. I think this is what I'm a good at. Take a thousand pages book, right back on a 50 page, a summary written by me that I could study, really just photographically go to the exam and repeated perfectly. So I've got the capacity to summarize things, write them down and remember them. And it is my superpower.

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Daniel Franco
Superpower? Yeah. I've got one of my best friends. He might or might not be listening to this, but he is a neuroscience and not a neuroscientist. A neurosurgeon. Very good. And he I remember we were playing a game of football one day and after the game we were watching the game that followed us. And he was standing behind the goals and sort of like his eyes closed, almost what seemed like meditating, you know, sort of you could see he was doing something with his mind, you know, nodding his head, doing something with his mind.

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Daniel Franco
And I would scream out, Chris.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
What do you what are you doing? What are you.

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Daniel Franco
Doing? Like we're literally outside watching a football game. He's like, Shut up, Daniel, I'm studying. I'm like, What do you mean you're studying? You are going to exam tomorrow and I'm going through.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. And I said, Yeah, yeah, I understand.

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Daniel Franco
What he meant. Going through his assignments. She goes, Shut up. I've got two pages left. I said, How many pages have you got? He said, I've got I have 30. I'm you're kidding me. He's recited 30.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
30 pages from a book that is a thousand. So that's that's my superpower. So if I now think about exam my uni, I could see those pages in my in my brain. I can see those pages and, and considering that if I enter and this is the fascinating things of a weird mind, if I had to in my house, I mean, for every day that I had to my house and I leave the keys somewhere, I don't know where they are.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Okay, this is like every day I lose my keys and my phone. So I think this short memory not so good, the long term memory, amazing.

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Daniel Franco
So, you know, when you've done a TED talk, you know, when you prepared for your today, was that something that you just kind of prepared the day before and. Right. It was that did you have to go through the preparation?

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Flavia Tata Nardini
So I read think so. First of all, I need to write it down. So I wrote my speech down, okay, probably two days before and you know, I wrote it down.

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Daniel Franco
Before you can about the TED.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know. But you know, I do what I realized minutes. So I wrote it down and I rewrite it down and then I have to repeat it. And so I repeat it two, three times. It was the same with the university. Yeah, I just read it and repeated 3 to 3 times and the fourth time I remember everything, you know, and I don't remember the words, I remember the picture.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
So it's like I'm reading in my mind. Yeah, well, that's how my brain works. And sometimes I'll even now flee it, you know? I mean, you know, I got this big document. I don't like sets. I'm like, listen, I don't exactly remember, you know, like shareholder's equity where things are very complicated like slightly remember that by no that are page 72 is something related to that.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
So, so you can find everything. Yeah.

00:16:05:00 - 00:16:07:04
Daniel Franco
Is that just with literature or is it with numbers.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
Nice way to read everything. It's not.

00:16:08:22 - 00:16:10:23
Daniel Franco
Financial statements you can look at and go, yeah, I remember.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
That. Yeah, I remember the numbers. And you know, I don't think, Oh, that's my superpower. I, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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Daniel Franco
It's, it's such a good superpower mixed with obviously your ability to communicate as well. Right? Like you have this really excellent. So it's the ecosystem is built for success. I would say.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
It's a it's a fake it to you make it superpower you're not like everyone thinks you are very clever but you spend your just remember things very vividly is not good for friends and boyfriends and husbands that lives with me because I remember I write things. I don't write anything down. Yeah.

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Daniel Franco
And you're your kids like you came along today. They were sitting in the other room. Right now they're probably thinking Mum just remembers everything.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
She remembers everything. Yeah, that's so.

00:16:57:21 - 00:17:08:10
Daniel Franco
So you're coming to Adelaide. Tell us how you ended up here in this beautiful city in Adelaide. You went through uni, studied engineering, then what happened to that from that point?

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Flavia Tata Nardini
So I started it in Rome and then I finish in, you know, it was in the Netherlands and then I found my first job. I work at the European Space Agency and then a Dutch company called Tno. And I had the time of my life, you know, was going from 23 to 28. I was working on propulsion system a rockets and launches to Mars and project to the moon.

00:17:31:15 - 00:17:53:02
Flavia Tata Nardini
And I thought I was on top of my life really I really had fun. Um, and then I met Stef, he was from Adelaide and he was there for work and we fell in love and, and, and, and after one year like let's go to Adelaide and I'm like, well yeah, and I guess my hometown and I'm like, okay, sure.

00:17:53:02 - 00:18:10:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
So the first trip that I did, I did, I was ten years ago to Adelaide. I was eight months pregnant and we were coming back here and then I landed in Adelaide ten years ago this year because my daughter will be ten and I was one. I was pregnant when I came back with them and yeah, I landed in Adelaide.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
So the funny thing, things that at the beginning, from the outside to Adelaide is South Australia will look like a big engineering hub that it is. You know, the reality is a lot of the fans, a lot of the fans and you need to be Australian to access all those defense companies. So when I arrive here gave birth I realized, man, there is not a lot of space here and I'm not Australians.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
I can't work for 90% of the companies here. So that was the beginning. That was a tough beginning, you know, because I, I had a child, the first child and I really didn't know what to do and then nowhere were what to do. And we were like maybe a.

00:18:53:20 - 00:19:12:09
Daniel Franco
Common story for people coming come and Gabrielle that there is the same thing coming from Brazil. We've got people in our team, the same sort of thing. They've come over here, we had someone work with us and he came from Brazil, very, very experienced in, you know, a particular professional world and was was had to work with the fruit flies, right.

00:19:12:12 - 00:19:27:02
Flavia Tata Nardini
It happened to one of my employees that is actually from Brazil. Yeah. So when we found any Brazil, it was a SpaceX engineer working with a rock. And so and he's my one of my best engineers now. We found that he was working in a hotel in Sydney.

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Daniel Franco
Yeah, it's unbelievable.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
And he let me tell you, the guy is a gun next level. Yeah. So we had him straight away. Yeah.

00:19:34:05 - 00:19:36:14
Daniel Franco
So what did you do, you get into research then. Is that how.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
At the beginning I was the first couple of years I had this as I was looking for after the care and waiting for my visa. And I had I had a baby and I had this little, um, like kind of a notebook where I was writing all my ideas. I wanted to keep working in space, you know, I didn't want to go into mining or.

00:19:57:16 - 00:19:58:22
Daniel Franco
What is your husband is working.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
He was in defense. Defense. And, um, closing defense. And I couldn't work in defense, so I was writing down ideas and ideas and ideas and I didn't know what a startup was. I didn't really know. I've never built a startup. I don't know what I didn't know what entrepreneurship is. So the only entrepreneur in our family was our dad.

00:20:21:07 - 00:20:43:03
Flavia Tata Nardini
A was was he had his company was an architect. Let me tell you, the guy wasn't good with money. So our life this is why I divorced from mom. So for me, entrepreneurship was troubles. Yeah. You know, it just was messy, and it just give us a hard time in our lives. So entrepreneurship wasn't seen, like, something to pursue in my family, right?

00:20:43:04 - 00:20:43:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
You know.

00:20:43:09 - 00:20:54:17
Daniel Franco
This statistic is that if you're of your parents were entrepreneurs, then your mother or father were entrepreneurs as you are as a child. You are 90% more likely to be to start your own business.

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Flavia Tata Nardini
It is.

00:20:55:17 - 00:20:55:22
Daniel Franco
It's.

00:20:55:23 - 00:21:09:04
Flavia Tata Nardini
Crazy. It is crazy. And I think he's just what you see. And even if he failed at what he was doing, it. The poor man is 80 blast now. But, um, clearly there is a bag, you know what I mean?

00:21:09:07 - 00:21:14:05
Daniel Franco
My dad started his own. I'm. Yeah, I'm absolutely part of that 90%. It's crazy.

00:21:14:06 - 00:21:34:17
Flavia Tata Nardini
It is crazy. I don't know what you get inspired. It was really tough, you know, because he lost all his money. So we didn't have anything. So we I saw the bad side of of entrepreneurship. Right. The one that really damages family. But yeah. Didn't stop me, but I didn't know what it was. I wanted to maybe start working at a university.

00:21:35:05 - 00:21:36:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
I want to do a PhD. Yeah.

00:21:37:01 - 00:21:42:02
Daniel Franco
You could do it differently, though, right? That's. That's what drives you is doing something different, more innovative.

00:21:42:02 - 00:22:07:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
Exactly. So that was that was the beginning. Then I met my co-founder, Matt Guzman. So it was complicated because I met Matloff here that and he met another guy called Brian in Sydney and we got in touch the four of us, and we found that a startup before fleet or together. Yeah, exactly. So think about that. Yeah. We were the four of us.

00:22:07:14 - 00:22:28:12
Flavia Tata Nardini
That one job straight away, the three of us kept going together and then when we found the fleet at the end was just the two of us. So me and Matt Pearson really got in touch just for a chance, you know, and his life was different because he since his twenties, he has a bootstrapped startup. So the man was like a startup man for the first time.

00:22:28:12 - 00:22:56:04
Flavia Tata Nardini
I met him in Sydney. He's like, We should be the space startup. And I'm like, What is that? Yeah, he's like, What do we have to do? And a lot of people said to me like, How did Fleet started? The name? And the idea we were at this was after launch box about we were in his office. He had a big office with his previous startup and and I was telling him, you know, what would be really, really interesting using this small satellite for connectivity.

00:22:56:10 - 00:23:04:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. And he is like, ah, let me think about it. We call for Fleet Week or college fleet space. So.

00:23:04:18 - 00:23:07:04
Daniel Franco
So was that something that you wrote in your notebook?

00:23:07:17 - 00:23:23:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
It was so badly enough what I wrote in my notebook. Okay. So I, I spent two or three years our launch book was happening talking with people I had thousand coffees and I would even drink coffee. I drink no coffee. Okay.

00:23:23:14 - 00:23:24:09
Daniel Franco
So we haven't teas.

00:23:24:11 - 00:23:45:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
So I haven't coffee that I'm telling you over coffee days I'm having a water. Okay, but I just wanted to hear everything about people, industries, what were the issues, the bottlenecks. So a lunchbox with education program, because I actually think STEM is an issue in this country. Yes. But while I was doing that, it really was giving me money to travel, to go to conference and doing doing stuff.

00:23:45:18 - 00:24:08:08
Flavia Tata Nardini
And everyone was talking about the vastness of Australia. Every day we're talking about mining. That is the main, you know, driver of the economy and they were telling me you should build a constellation of satellites for connectivity to, to work with mining. And I wrote, I found that notebook and I was like, no matter what you do, do not do connective.

00:24:08:08 - 00:24:16:17
Flavia Tata Nardini
Monica sounds really boring and I do connectivity mining so I like I look at that not what I'm like oops.

00:24:17:18 - 00:24:18:09
Daniel Franco
That's the way.

00:24:18:10 - 00:24:39:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
That's the way always. You know, if you actually follow the market, you know that out of people that just be a start up. Yeah the thing that they like we actually followed what the market wanted and but why I didn't want to do it because a university I have orders that a communication like because I didn't want exam and I didn't like it.

00:24:39:14 - 00:24:56:13
Flavia Tata Nardini
So I thought, ah, this is black magic. Like I think talkies are not a thing that doesn't look very scientific. I'm not into it. And mining, I didn't know mining. Mining was like, that sounds really weird. Yeah. But yeah. Now all your after seven years with the communication from mining and I'm like, okay so we.

00:24:56:13 - 00:25:03:22
Daniel Franco
Have, we had Simon Hackett on the show, the founder of Internode, who was instrumental in bringing the Internet here.

00:25:03:23 - 00:25:04:24
Flavia Tata Nardini
Exactly.

00:25:05:01 - 00:25:20:07
Daniel Franco
But he claimed on he on this show and I hope it's true. I think it's true where I think he's yet to be proven otherwise. He was one of the creators of the Internet of Things. Right. Where he hooked up a toaster. I think Debs was like 20, 30 years ago. Who?

00:25:20:08 - 00:25:21:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
Oh, my God.

00:25:21:11 - 00:25:25:08
Daniel Franco
Host They're on the internet. They cook the piece of toast of Australia in America that.

00:25:25:08 - 00:25:31:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
Is sucking so clever. I know there are a lot of smart people in this country anyway.

00:25:31:05 - 00:25:39:21
Daniel Franco
That's where the that was essentially what Internode were supposed to be. It was supposed to be an IOC business it turned into because he had an internet.

00:25:39:21 - 00:25:56:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, I guess that was the very beginning and Iot is really starting now. So imagine going out. Yeah, 20 years ago, you know why don't we to talk about Simon made me think that when I arrived in Australia for me was an eye opener. How many technologies were invented in this country? Oh, we don't know.

00:25:56:18 - 00:25:57:05
Daniel Franco
It's brilliant.

00:25:57:09 - 00:26:12:03
Flavia Tata Nardini
It's brilliant. So, you know, they were five, you name the list. They were so brilliant. And, you know, one side, it's really sad that this technology are not well known to be owned by Australian research. You know, it's something that needs to change.

00:26:12:03 - 00:26:17:11
Daniel Franco
It is it is a shame. Can we just cut back you said you don't drink coffee. I want to talk about that first.

00:26:17:12 - 00:26:20:20
Flavia Tata Nardini
Sorry, I thought the. What if I got invited by your back.

00:26:21:19 - 00:26:27:01
Daniel Franco
Three this morning you're so is there is it a health range. Just a lot. The taste. What's the.

00:26:27:19 - 00:26:48:01
Flavia Tata Nardini
Age? We're trying to analyze? Because we have five siblings and two of us don't drink coffee. Our dad didn't drink coffee. Mum was a massive cup. My mum was coffee and cigarets. I recall Italia and of the other. So the three of us didn't drink coffee. So I don't know if is a genetic thing sometimes you think is genetic.

00:26:48:14 - 00:27:11:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
I, I've got three assumptions. The first I don't like the taste. Okay, so that's, that's a start. You know, the second things also, you know, I think because I've been suffering for depression for a long time, I think coffee triggers me. Yeah. And my body just doesn't want to at the other side of the stories that I need to sleep a lot.

00:27:11:15 - 00:27:13:05
Flavia Tata Nardini
So I sleep 10 hours a day.

00:27:13:14 - 00:27:15:10
Daniel Franco
We can we let's talk on this.

00:27:15:10 - 00:27:19:22
Flavia Tata Nardini
So between then not drinking coffee asleep within hours they item odd I'm very.

00:27:19:22 - 00:27:39:11
Daniel Franco
Old so I'm doing a little bit of an experiment at the moment with my life because I've been listening to some podcasts and sleep is something that I'm I've been struggling with, not because, you know, I've got this world of worry and whatnot. I can manage that. But it's more the it's been in interrupted or hasn't felt a comfortable deep sleep.

00:27:39:11 - 00:27:59:15
Daniel Franco
So I read that if you have coffee at 12:00 by midday is sort of a 12 hour cycle. It's not out of your system into 12:00 at midnight. And I was having coffee at 9:00 at night and I was I was able to go to sleep. I was fine. I could sleep, but it was sort of uninterrupted sleep.

00:27:59:15 - 00:28:13:14
Daniel Franco
So over the past two, three, three or four days now I've stopped. I've had my last coffee at 12 p.m. midday and I've been sleeping like a baby I love. Unbelievable. And I'm a little bit disappointed. Yeah.

00:28:14:01 - 00:28:16:06
Flavia Tata Nardini
It's been taking some years to realize.

00:28:16:14 - 00:28:23:01
Daniel Franco
The habit of going, alright, afternoon. I'm. I'm ready for my coffee is the pot that I'm struggling with.

00:28:23:01 - 00:28:23:21
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, of course. Now what.

00:28:23:24 - 00:28:24:07
Daniel Franco
I do.

00:28:24:14 - 00:28:31:10
Flavia Tata Nardini
Of course. Yeah. And I think hardcore is the same you know when you're drinking the evening your sleep it's a little bit like upside down, but.

00:28:31:18 - 00:28:35:00
Daniel Franco
Yeah, yeah. Alcohol actually is a deterrent to you. Yeah.

00:28:35:00 - 00:28:50:04
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. I think the it's funny in the past 5 to 6 years that we all use, you know, those watches and Fitbits and things actually humankind is realizing how well values live when you don't drink coffee or how cool and everybody's like, oops.

00:28:50:07 - 00:28:53:01
Daniel Franco
Yeah, it's the yeah, that, that is there.

00:28:53:08 - 00:28:53:23
Flavia Tata Nardini
That I say.

00:28:54:00 - 00:29:12:07
Daniel Franco
That's the same thing where humans are a strange mob because we know that we have to eat healthy every day to stay healthy. And we know that our bodies are built on this, you know, this this tectonic plate that any of the any point in our bodies could give way, right? So we've got all this existing business. We've got all this success in in life.

00:29:12:07 - 00:29:15:21
Daniel Franco
And but yet we don't look after our bodies. It just doesn't make sense.

00:29:16:05 - 00:29:32:13
Flavia Tata Nardini
The reality is that, you know, I always think about that is so much to take care of. You know, you wake up in the morning, I need to be sleep good. I need to be good on my my body. I need to take care of my skin. And I'm like, man, yeah, this is multi-tasking. You know, we've got a business.

00:29:32:13 - 00:29:38:22
Flavia Tata Nardini
We have parents. I can't I won't do it all. So chocolate is good chocolate. These taglines get.

00:29:40:02 - 00:29:58:23
Daniel Franco
You touched on there you like you know we digress with the coffee talk but then you did make mention that, you know, from a depression point of view. And I think that was something I was keen to talk to you about today and get into a bit later. But while we're on the subject, do you think that the coffee was would contribute to your depression?

00:29:58:23 - 00:30:21:03
Flavia Tata Nardini
You know, I don't know. So I think that my depression so if you look at my family, there's been mental health issues. I was probably genetic. I didn't have when I was young. Any food related mental disorders. But some of my siblings did. I think my depression was always there. There's a big genetic element because it has been going on since I'm 15.

00:30:21:03 - 00:30:54:23
Flavia Tata Nardini
I kind of discover what I'm 20. Very hormonal. Yeah. So it is a pure physical one. But what a hell of a journey having to deal with severe depression or your life. It is interesting. Ten of the best people I know that have depression. It is when you got these weird things to say. But when you get that, a lot of mental health issues, but when you got so extreme into it and you need to deal with your life and you need to manage, it's like managing any other disease, you know?

00:30:54:23 - 00:31:18:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
It's like, you know, having to use your insulin. It is the same, you know, and one thing or the other, it just the thing about depression and mental health shows you what your brain can do from one side or the other. So I'm a scientist, right? Yeah. So since my 15, I've been looking at depression. We curiosity. It's it's amazing.

00:31:18:09 - 00:31:38:10
Flavia Tata Nardini
What have you found out? I've studied a lot about what happened in pain because it's our first word issue. Right. So why does that happen? There is so much we don't know. And it did you think is super interesting. Is it triggered by there are so many triggers so it can is not sadness rise is triggered by food it can trigger by genetics.

00:31:38:10 - 00:31:59:24
Flavia Tata Nardini
It can be between a divorce ailment by vitamin D, by what you eat. It's it's incredible complex. Yeah. If you look at antidepressants, don't know how they work. Mm. I gave it to you, but I have no idea how they work. So I think there is an opportunity for the medical industry in coming hundred years to really crack something incredible depression.

00:32:00:00 - 00:32:24:04
Flavia Tata Nardini
I love it because as I say, I didn't say that I love it because I love it because I actually think is your it's what conserved what for some people it conserves your ego you know it really it's it's an alarm when you do things wrong. Yeah I've been really able to manage it all my life, but it's one of the first reason why people, you know, kill themselves.

00:32:24:04 - 00:32:45:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
It's huge problem. Yeah. And it's so not on the store. The research, a taboo. What have I learned? That the brain is incredible. Like that the brain can switch off. Yeah, and that's it, you know? And you're like, man, I'm here. And I just can't think, you know? And it's, um, it gives you that depth of understanding of yourself.

00:32:46:06 - 00:33:06:24
Flavia Tata Nardini
You know, when we're talking about working on yourself, you have to work on yourself. When you've got such a mental problem, you know, you need to take care of yourself. Um, it's funny. I've been talking a lot with my co-founder about this, so I'm good now, you know, I because it's been many, many years and you know, I take medication sometimes I take communication time.

00:33:06:24 - 00:33:27:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
I doesn't when I take medications, I've got a clinical depression, I can not stop taking it. Sometimes I try, but somebody just doesn't produce serotonin. I just even if I'm happy and everything is fine, does my body can't do it? Yeah, but I noticed a difference. When I take antidepressants in the way I work, I take antidepressants and I've happy.

00:33:27:18 - 00:33:38:10
Flavia Tata Nardini
I'm fine, I'm healthy, I sleep, I'm good. And my brain cannot see the depth of problems in the business.

00:33:38:10 - 00:33:40:04
Daniel Franco
So it's inhibitor in a way.

00:33:40:04 - 00:34:06:02
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, I just I kind of my brain sees a problem. I'm not as deep in the period in which I didn't have antidepressant because I try maybe for one year stop. I see everything is like the word, you know, always saying before the word opens up. And my brain like, can, you know, it's very, very weird. You know, there are those TV shows of those doctors that I got some issues and then they they they can see.

00:34:06:02 - 00:34:13:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, what? I don't have it. I can. My business opens up and I can see problems everywhere. That is amazing. But also.

00:34:14:18 - 00:34:19:07
Daniel Franco
It's like your greatest strength is also your greatest weakness tonight, right? Yeah, that's what I'm hearing.

00:34:19:07 - 00:34:33:13
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yes. So, you know, I have all this problem in which, you know, like I take care of myself and maybe for periods I slow down or either medicine so I catch get sick. Yeah, I catch up with it and it's and it's I'm fascinating. Yeah.

00:34:33:21 - 00:34:57:11
Daniel Franco
How does it affect you personally when you find yourself like I? For me, it's you know, in the talk of my experience, I've never been at the point of being depressed. But, you know, of late and especially when you when you are an entrepreneur and you do run your own business, you know, you choose stress, right? You choose anxiety.

00:34:57:11 - 00:34:58:24
Flavia Tata Nardini
That's what's that's what you do.

00:34:59:03 - 00:35:05:03
Daniel Franco
That's like I don't think there's a way that you can avoid it. And the past couple of months for me have been really.

00:35:05:10 - 00:35:05:19
Flavia Tata Nardini
Tough.

00:35:06:12 - 00:35:09:20
Daniel Franco
To the point where, you know, sometimes where you can feel your heart.

00:35:09:22 - 00:35:10:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
Palpitations.

00:35:10:19 - 00:35:23:07
Daniel Franco
You just constant and you just come. I said to my wife one night, I saw these things just not stopping, like, what is going on? What's wrong with me? But it never got to the point. The anxiety never got to the point of not functioning.

00:35:23:08 - 00:35:23:16
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah.

00:35:24:03 - 00:35:39:11
Daniel Franco
But I say this. I thought I was invincible to it. I thought not, you know, and I definitely had this mindset of, have you ever met a depressed, happy person? Like, I'm happy. I'm a happy guy. Like I'm a positive person.

00:35:39:12 - 00:35:40:20
Flavia Tata Nardini
And so am I. Yeah.

00:35:40:21 - 00:35:51:17
Daniel Franco
So I actually had a really sort of negative view towards it in the sense that, no, I don't, you know, just think positively, you'll be fine. And until it got me, until it hit me.

00:35:51:17 - 00:36:14:10
Flavia Tata Nardini
So that was the thing that you need to understand that, you know, I hope you will never get depressed, that he might not happen. Is that when you are we also getting a little bit older? I think so. You know, our body doesn't really function anymore. It's all about chemical. Yeah. Bobby is a chemistry machine, so, you know, your work is supposed to be to there's cortisol that you cannot manage your cortisol is good.

00:36:14:19 - 00:36:36:06
Flavia Tata Nardini
So your, your, your, your and your, your, your live when all the things are done. So it is a pure machine, okay? And the machine function. Yeah. If what is good sleeping is good coffee sometimes and it changes in time. The beautiful things about anxiety and you know what you'll be feeling the past moments you body's perfect so your body's telling you.

00:36:36:06 - 00:36:52:01
Flavia Tata Nardini
I'm telling you something is not working. Right? So depression happened. Well, you're not listening to your body. So, you know, you if you get depressed one day is because in the next coming months you have not listened to your body. Your body's telling you change some.

00:36:52:01 - 00:36:53:06
Daniel Franco
Things and imbalances, some.

00:36:53:06 - 00:37:06:16
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. Change something, you know, you need to slow down, man. We are okay, but I don't feel that good. You need to change something. And I love it. So our body really gives us a lot of signal that we need to listen. If we don't listen, then he shuts down.

00:37:06:16 - 00:37:07:01
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

00:37:07:06 - 00:37:09:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
And his body. I'm shutting down because I'm not listening.

00:37:09:20 - 00:37:14:04
Daniel Franco
It's having that self awareness to understand what your food is telling you, isn't it? I think that is the most critical.

00:37:14:04 - 00:37:33:04
Flavia Tata Nardini
Page and is fantastic. Yeah. So imagine if you didn't have all those signals and suddenly you wake up one day and you are shut down completely. So he's telling you something is telling you, you know, that could be your getting older or like it's been a tough winter or your immune system is down or you're out. So just make some changes.

00:37:33:11 - 00:37:57:19
Daniel Franco
And he you how did you manage the like we're fast move is entrepreneur is business owner CEOs fast movers want things to move quickly you want to make decisions quickly you're in the position to to grow and scale. And yet your body is telling you, no, no, slow down. How do you manage? So how do you manage the the clash of the two worlds?

00:37:57:19 - 00:38:21:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
I think my rule I what I've learned in the past 20 years and I think this the depth that you go into when you got a disease are you going to this is that it's connected to me your mind's how amazingly you need to know yourself right thoughts survive something. My motto is that every time I get because I move fast, you know, my life and I'm very happy.

00:38:21:15 - 00:38:47:23
Flavia Tata Nardini
I love my life. I don't work that much as you think. You know, I'm a 9 to 5 Gary so the working the weekend I sleep 10 hours I've got a great life. Yeah, I live on the beach. I got two beautiful kids. I got to it's I'm happy, you know, am my I think that and I work really hard I'm methodical but I think when I start feeling stressed so when my body start feeling this, it means that something is not working in the business.

00:38:48:20 - 00:39:10:21
Flavia Tata Nardini
So this is something I tell everyone. This is hard, but it doesn't have to be difficult. These are the difference between being hard, you know, putting out for that and solving difficult problem or struggling, you know, if you are struggling. So much, it means you have not created right business model correctly or your customers are unhappy or the product is not good.

00:39:11:14 - 00:39:13:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
So you need to fix the fundamentals.

00:39:13:15 - 00:39:14:06
Daniel Franco
It's not right.

00:39:14:06 - 00:39:31:08
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. Okay. So you shouldn't be, you know, like in our relationship, like, you know, we are a we are used to be told a relationship, a hard work, and then you suddenly meet the one you love. You're like, This is not outdoor, this is fine. Yeah. And it's hard and you need to put effort in it, but it's fine.

00:39:31:24 - 00:39:48:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
So I think the same about the business. So every I see my team getting burned out or stressed or it's, it's an alert to say, okay, maybe this is not my coffee or maybe we are not doing the pricing good. Or maybe we ask something fundamental because it shouldn't feel that way.

00:39:48:18 - 00:40:07:21
Daniel Franco
I've heard this saying I heard it recently actually, where one of the key roles of a CEO or leader or an entrepreneur or whatever is that is the ability to cut your arm off. If you notice a cancer like it and say It's a cancer in my arm and I need to cut it off.

00:40:07:22 - 00:40:08:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
You need to carry it.

00:40:08:18 - 00:40:19:03
Daniel Franco
Out. To cut it off is something that is not working. There's something that's not right. I mean, that's an extreme example. Right. But but it's the it's this thing that you just cannot keep going with something that's holding you back.

00:40:19:03 - 00:40:38:22
Flavia Tata Nardini
No, and I should. That shouldn't be the case. You know, the other side of the story is that, you know, I always think about, like, a plan, try it, you know, and if there are some part of the plans that are struggling because they are dying, all the water goes to those and the really good parts that start dying afterwards.

00:40:38:22 - 00:40:45:01
Flavia Tata Nardini
So you have to cut out the things that are not working and things that you know you have to. Yeah.

00:40:45:09 - 00:40:47:10
Daniel Franco
I love that. I actually really love that analogy.

00:40:47:14 - 00:40:49:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
It's it's really the case, you know.

00:40:50:19 - 00:41:08:09
Daniel Franco
How do you manage your depression whilst being a C, C? I am with this immense scale that you've got going on at the moment. I mean fleet space right now and we'll get into the growth of fleet space. But fleet space right now is doing some wonderful things and.

00:41:08:09 - 00:41:09:21
Flavia Tata Nardini
Is growing and growing and growing.

00:41:09:22 - 00:41:12:20
Daniel Franco
Exactly 90 to 100 people in your team.

00:41:12:20 - 00:41:31:17
Flavia Tata Nardini
You know, and it will double. And we are raising money and is going to grow. You know, I think if if we work really hard, this is going to be a unicorn in four years. You know, I'm very excited. How do I manage it? I think this what you said before, my depression is my superpower because. I have I condition I take care of myself.

00:41:31:18 - 00:41:57:06
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. Because I know the condition. I take care of the others. I love them and that's it. You know, the reality is that if you don't, yeah, I have this all the time. You need to work. Not in the business. On the business. What can in the business as you get lost and I see executive you working on the business, you build something healthy and so speed is nothing.

00:41:57:06 - 00:42:14:19
Flavia Tata Nardini
What is important is a walk on the beach to think, are we doing the right thing? You know, I've hired a lot of the executive to help me. Now, believe it or not, they are not all in Adelaide. So four out of six leaving out a serious and people are saying like this is insane. Yeah, because I want this people to think I've got it, people that do it.

00:42:15:03 - 00:42:37:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, but what about you and I like breathe. And now getting lost in every operational drama every day and just making magic happen. So that's what depression has taught me to step back, build things and work on on things instead of getting lost on teeny tiny, not important stuff.

00:42:37:11 - 00:42:43:01
Daniel Franco
It's it's really profound way of thinking. Was that something that you were taught or did you learn that?

00:42:43:02 - 00:42:46:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
I think I learned otherwise I would have not survived. Yeah.

00:42:46:18 - 00:43:03:09
Daniel Franco
I mean, because the old saying, you know, Steven, Steve Jobs is the famous quote, hi, great people. And, you know, get them to tell you what to do. And that's essentially what you're doing is you going, right, I'm giving you the power and authority and the autonomy to do what you need to do to create this business. I'm going to set the vision.

00:43:03:09 - 00:43:22:04
Daniel Franco
This is where we're going. I'm you talked about 10 hours sleep. I'm this is something I want to get into. 10 hours sleep. It's a lot. It's a long. And how does this your mind is your mind not racing at like you know you talk about thinking is your mind not like I think my mind comes alive at night.

00:43:22:04 - 00:43:42:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
It is like I dream a lot. So I what I do I usually put the kids to sleep like it's three and on nine I'm gone and I wake up a seven and I sleep very well and is amazing and I dream a lot. And you know, I love my dreams. I always have this joke that, you know, because I sleep too much.

00:43:42:01 - 00:44:01:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
Literally, my life is also wake up sleeping, right? Yeah. Literally like 12 hours I was sleeping. So I always make final with everyone knows me and said which one is my real life. Yeah. The one that I sleeping on. The one where I'm awake when I'm sleeping. I love dreams and I'm very I love analyzing my dreams. Yeah.

00:44:01:20 - 00:44:21:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
So in the morning when I wake up, I always spend 20 minutes analyzing dreams because it's so much time in my day. Yeah, I know this sounds crazy. There's so much time in my day that I think is important. What a dream. Yeah, he's trying to tell me something. So every time I wake up, that's the first question I ask, you know, person next to me and my kids, and then I analyze my dreams.

00:44:21:22 - 00:44:25:03
Flavia Tata Nardini
Oh, wow. It's so bizarre.

00:44:25:12 - 00:44:28:16
Daniel Franco
Is there a night routine that you have getting into bed?

00:44:28:16 - 00:44:39:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
Like the same ceberano day? Like every one. Like I enter into bed and I watch Instagram for 10 minutes so that I fall asleep, you know? And I watch video of cats and dogs. And I know it's fancy.

00:44:40:08 - 00:44:46:21
Daniel Franco
Because I don't think I could sleep for 10 hours, even if I tried. Is this a habit thing that builds up?

00:44:47:10 - 00:45:08:10
Flavia Tata Nardini
It's a habit. Things it builds up. And and I was like, always like this, but my family were all like this. Yeah, I, you know, and if you put me to sleep, let's say you have to raise a especially desire superpower. If I have to go and I take a plane at 5 a.m., for example, I would go to sleep at 6 p.m. the day before.

00:45:08:24 - 00:45:12:12
Flavia Tata Nardini
I will just go to sleep and sleep 10 hours.

00:45:13:08 - 00:45:18:18
Daniel Franco
Rattling off things that I aspire to be that anything I could ever be because I'm a six hour.

00:45:18:19 - 00:45:19:13
Flavia Tata Nardini
I would die.

00:45:19:14 - 00:45:28:22
Daniel Franco
Yeah, I brought my body just wakes up and then it's like the moment I look up and I can see some daylight coming in through the blinds is buying ammonia.

00:45:28:22 - 00:45:32:20
Flavia Tata Nardini
I actually think Anya's is 10 hours is not healthy. I should sleep less.

00:45:32:22 - 00:45:34:13
Daniel Franco
I the healthy range is but.

00:45:34:13 - 00:45:42:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
The reality is that your body does what you what you have to do the important things is those hours to be very, very healthy. But you know, they say that sleep is good. That is.

00:45:42:11 - 00:45:47:01
Daniel Franco
Good. Well, 10 hours is hitting. I mean, your body's getting extra repair, right?

00:45:47:04 - 00:45:48:22
Flavia Tata Nardini
It's like a self-repair.

00:45:49:10 - 00:46:10:08
Daniel Franco
Exactly. It's amazing. The one thing, though, like I would really like to ask you while we're talking about Flavia and you know, like I said, we'll talk fleet space in a moment. But as you are growing and you're talking about potential of space becoming a unicorn.

00:46:10:08 - 00:46:10:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah.

00:46:11:09 - 00:46:23:01
Daniel Franco
Which is so exciting especially to the point where you said, you know, Australia has come up with these amazing technologies and not being rewarded for it. So now is that opportunity with what.

00:46:23:02 - 00:46:24:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
She was doing.

00:46:25:18 - 00:46:29:20
Daniel Franco
To you along the path, do you celebrate your wins?

00:46:30:05 - 00:46:31:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
Oh, yes, yeah.

00:46:31:09 - 00:46:44:22
Daniel Franco
And what does that look like? Explain to me the celebration of the wins, because it's something that you would know you forget about sometimes. And new as you're moving along, you're going so quickly go, oh, we achieve that. Let's keep going. Now the next goal then.

00:46:44:23 - 00:47:06:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, that, that, that is quite normal and I do that. Yeah. Nice. So but fleet we try so every quarter we have our quarterly planning in which we got our five rocks that we have to do and if we hit them we got a prize and a celebration for everyone, like I think last week and I wasn't there, but last week there was less quarter celebration.

00:47:06:18 - 00:47:25:21
Flavia Tata Nardini
So all the time when you know this beer handlebar thing that you bike the city, yeah, they all went to do that. So every we decided as a team what to do every three months. And it's as a party or is it is is that or we go laser tag with or you know we do it all together.

00:47:26:09 - 00:47:28:06
Flavia Tata Nardini
It's fine. It's fine.

00:47:28:11 - 00:47:32:04
Daniel Franco
So you talk big rocks there is this. Yeah. Every quarter.

00:47:32:06 - 00:47:34:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
Every quarter we got four rocks.

00:47:34:15 - 00:47:35:11
Daniel Franco
Totally sprint.

00:47:35:11 - 00:48:02:13
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, four rocks. And if we meet them at the thing that I also do and I think this is also really there to, to, to my, my depression because when you go depression, most of the time you're okay. And some days you just can't do it. You know, it's very is very weird. So since I had is as he's in my twenties, I have this role this that this rule okay and particularly in business that I have to make one good decision every day.

00:48:03:06 - 00:48:10:05
Flavia Tata Nardini
Okay. In the business, I really like a company changing decision a day. Well, I know every day I have.

00:48:10:12 - 00:48:11:13
Daniel Franco
65 decisions.

00:48:11:17 - 00:48:28:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
That is a lot of decision. So, you know, every day I'm like, okay, what's the most important thing for today? If I can make the decision, if I can make these things happen, I can work 1 minutes, okay? And I don't have to feel guilty of today's a bad day or I feel I just. It's just so I celebrate that decision.

00:48:28:12 - 00:48:30:02
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, well, do you know what I mean? What would.

00:48:30:02 - 00:48:30:17
Daniel Franco
What would a.

00:48:31:15 - 00:48:51:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
Decision look like? You know, today I need to make a decision for the import that there are two things today. So, you know, I've got two chances. You know, I'm trying to understand something about our customer that is really important because it's going to impact the product for the next six months. Yeah. And I really so every day I wake up and I'm like, this is the one I'm going to do.

00:48:51:16 - 00:48:52:00
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

00:48:52:11 - 00:49:04:10
Flavia Tata Nardini
And this is the one I'm going to do. And I'll do anything even if I'm sick, if I got COVID, I'll do anything to have that decision made that day. So and I celebrate it. I'm like, I did it. I made my decision.

00:49:04:20 - 00:49:26:16
Daniel Franco
Does the so I'm going to say this and Gabriella works with Sydney Jacques here, the consulting business that we run outside of this podcast, Gabs heads up our marketing department as well as manages the podcast and probably gets angry at me at a daily basis for the continual changing of a decision.

00:49:26:16 - 00:49:30:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
As much as she should. And that's good as well. I know, right?

00:49:30:15 - 00:49:35:07
Daniel Franco
So I guess what I'm going to ask is those decisions, do they ever contradict each other?

00:49:35:07 - 00:49:37:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
Always. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, yeah.

00:49:37:20 - 00:49:39:00
Daniel Franco
So I'm not crazy, you know?

00:49:39:01 - 00:49:40:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
Not always. Always.

00:49:40:14 - 00:49:46:11
Daniel Franco
And so what? How do you manage the team in that process?

00:49:46:11 - 00:49:46:20
Flavia Tata Nardini
Um.

00:49:47:13 - 00:49:54:02
Daniel Franco
Like, that's the thing. I feel bad for changing my mind, but I think. No, no, no, no. That was different yesterday. Like, that's the reality.

00:49:54:02 - 00:50:23:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
The reality that the decision depend. Of course, the decision is weeks and months of data collected. Okay. But for founders brains, for who we are, we make decision where we are really sure about. So because new information are in. Yeah I'm changing my decision. Yeah you know as long as the people that trust you that that decision is made because in that moment, in that position that day, you have got enough information that you trusted they need to trust you.

00:50:24:08 - 00:50:28:20
Flavia Tata Nardini
If they see that you are doing them because you don't know what the hell you're doing. Yeah, that's different.

00:50:28:24 - 00:50:34:17
Daniel Franco
What if it's a bit of both? What if it's a I don't know what the hell I'm doing, but let's try that. That didn't work. Let's try.

00:50:34:17 - 00:50:56:05
Flavia Tata Nardini
That. I think in that case you need to be that. I do it as well. You need to. So my co-founder operates this way. So that operates with trials. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You need to be open about who you are. Yeah, I think I need to say this. This spirit is my try as periods. Yeah. So we try ABCD data and eventually we settle on something.

00:50:56:05 - 00:51:00:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. So you need to, you need to say yeah okay so this.

00:51:00:02 - 00:51:03:15
Daniel Franco
Is yours not look like a trial period is all your I'm.

00:51:03:22 - 00:51:05:16
Flavia Tata Nardini
On my decision. I'm not a trial.

00:51:06:16 - 00:51:07:12
Daniel Franco
Yeah daughter.

00:51:07:12 - 00:51:12:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah and yeah and this is because this is why I am yeah and yeah.

00:51:12:19 - 00:51:17:20
Daniel Franco
And that's because I think I've read somewhere where you talk about you and Matt and the relationship you have as co-founder.

00:51:17:20 - 00:51:18:17
Flavia Tata Nardini
Oh, my gosh.

00:51:18:18 - 00:51:20:13
Daniel Franco
He's this business.

00:51:21:21 - 00:51:49:16
Flavia Tata Nardini
He's a genius, right? You know, so we crack our team up. Okay. So, for example, just to tell you how the brain works in it, in the past for four year we have been investigating the product market fit right so five applications and try to in this way which one is good wine. So two years ago I started this scientific process in which, you know, we will deploy these five application work with customers, analyze it, ask, review their lot.

00:51:50:08 - 00:52:07:03
Flavia Tata Nardini
And this process, it was very well in the field, well brought to the conclusion that the critical mean and also was our application. Yeah let's say that the critical me knows what application they won. Yeah. And my and I'm like how do you know we got other five. We need to understand not that's the one.

00:52:07:03 - 00:52:07:17
Daniel Franco
That's the one.

00:52:07:21 - 00:52:20:16
Flavia Tata Nardini
And I'm like and he does that all the time. And so I've learned to trust him. Yeah. And kind of make shorter my analysis period just to be shorter.

00:52:20:22 - 00:52:22:03
Daniel Franco
80% I.

00:52:23:06 - 00:52:33:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah because I like so that's it. So is brain as a enable it's able to put information much faster. Yeah. And it's an instinct and it, it.

00:52:33:15 - 00:52:39:09
Daniel Franco
It can be frustrating for those who can think that way they like because if they already see it, they see it.

00:52:39:21 - 00:52:54:16
Flavia Tata Nardini
Is frustrating for him is frustrating for us you know because the thing is out of that thing, they went wrong. A couple of them went, nah, right. And you're like, is this the good one or the bad answer? And I was like, which it.

00:52:54:17 - 00:52:56:01
Daniel Franco
Yeah, which one are we hitting today?

00:52:56:03 - 00:52:59:13
Flavia Tata Nardini
Why you learn. You learn, you know, to work together, how you manage.

00:53:00:00 - 00:53:06:19
Daniel Franco
You know, you're you're both co-founders, you're the CEO. He's six. So he's at customer experience, not six.

00:53:06:19 - 00:53:14:22
Flavia Tata Nardini
So he's chief exploration officer. So he's got it's got a nice application aspirations. So he works and all the aspirations and everything.

00:53:14:24 - 00:53:22:17
Daniel Franco
Okay. So two brilliant co-founders in their own right, one's data driven, one's gut feeling.

00:53:22:17 - 00:53:23:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
I feel.

00:53:23:12 - 00:53:26:18
Daniel Franco
Driven. How do you manage that as CEO of Fleet Space?

00:53:28:14 - 00:53:57:24
Flavia Tata Nardini
We know how to work together now. Okay. He's got another incredible things that drives everyone crazy, I think is brilliant. That is when he has to do something and he what you know, when he's got a deadline to deliver a massive decision and stuff like that, he waits to the very last minute. So while I go outside, you know, if I have to make a decision today, so I have to make a decision about of course, I've called everyone I call, the customers I call, they say.

00:53:58:06 - 00:54:17:08
Flavia Tata Nardini
So I'm a gather information type of person. Yeah. So I spend so people sees a lot of activities and then there is a decision you don't see him. So he is an introverted I. So it goes in to ease words. Yeah. And you don't even had anything for weeks and the day before your life. Hi. Is, is, is it coming.

00:54:17:12 - 00:54:33:19
Flavia Tata Nardini
Is that coming. It is like. Yeah I think so. And you're like, holy moly. And it always comes into. Yeah. So you need to trust that person. Yeah. Absolutely. Because otherwise it's really hard. So we, we, we do it.

00:54:33:20 - 00:54:45:23
Daniel Franco
You enjoy the CEO role. You are obviously as scientists and engineers like you enjoy the data. You enjoy the discovery of creation. Do you enjoy the business?

00:54:46:01 - 00:55:12:17
Flavia Tata Nardini
I love it. And of course, that's what I love about it, is that in the past six year, I've learned a lot of things. You know, I'm a student, I like to learn. Yeah. You know, so every year I try to understand what I have to do to become a better CEO. So, you know, there are years that I focus on marketing and then I hear focus on sales and I hear that I've also had corporate governments and, you know, and I study and I do courses.

00:55:12:17 - 00:55:40:10
Flavia Tata Nardini
You I have such an amazing position in which you have to be such a 360 person. All the topics be good leadership feels like an infinity pool of learnings. That's what I like, you know, you never get it right and the realities as is so what I've been trying what I've I've learned I'll be learning is that there are not a lot of female CEOs and there are not a lot of young female CEOs.

00:55:40:19 - 00:56:04:02
Flavia Tata Nardini
So a lot of mentor is an advise. Try to put me in a box of behavior. You should behave this way. You should do this. That is not me. You. You know what I mean? It's not my style so how to actually to. I'm a very odd CEO like you know I'm I'm this funny I'm bubbly and anti political and not correct and you know speak the truth, you know, that's.

00:56:04:02 - 00:56:04:09
Daniel Franco
Why it.

00:56:04:09 - 00:56:25:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
Works. Yeah, that's who I am, you know? So there is not enough of a track record on how I see your space, their founders to behave. Yeah. So I just need to build this while learning the the real things to do. Yeah. So the only thing that I, that, that I, that I do is try to hire people that had great CEOs and their lives.

00:56:25:00 - 00:56:26:21
Flavia Tata Nardini
So I grabbed something from you and they're.

00:56:28:02 - 00:56:39:12
Daniel Franco
What's one of the you said you've learned a lot on the way. What are some of those things that you've like that have just stopped you in your tracks from a learning point of view, as a CEO of a.

00:56:39:12 - 00:57:11:17
Flavia Tata Nardini
Business, I think I was more of a personal journey goes. I'm on extremely extroverted and I could speak for hours and so I really makes a podcast. My support, is it not on me being so pretty dominant in our dominant personality. Yeah. So when you are and I know I am, so when you are in a tech startup where 90% of your employees are geniuses, introverted, that does not give you the chance for people to speak up.

00:57:11:23 - 00:57:29:05
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, yeah. As a massive issue, you know, so such a journey for me to shout out yeah so hard and and you know, I've been learning to do it and it's the people understand how hard it is. Yeah.

00:57:29:16 - 00:57:35:18
Daniel Franco
I'm with you on that. What do you think your team would say about you from five years ago to now?

00:57:35:23 - 00:58:02:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
I think they they know. They know that I care about people. Yeah. They really know that I care about people. And that's who I am. They think I never get angry because I sometimes I do. But, you know, I'm I'm a very humanistic person. So, you know, like I always can find the added side of the story. I, I hope they see that, that I care.

00:58:02:15 - 00:58:06:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
I hope they see that I've got talent and I'm trying to learn.

00:58:08:03 - 00:58:09:11
Daniel Franco
Do they get frustrated with you?

00:58:10:06 - 00:58:33:12
Flavia Tata Nardini
Not much. More much. The thing that they say the most that that I struggle with is that if I'm not around, there is not the same energy that I see in a nice way. You know, like, for example, if I'm traveling when I come back, I'm like, Oh, you went out there. It wasn't that good this week. And they try to be nice, but I think he's a big red flag.

00:58:33:12 - 00:58:39:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. So how can you create a culture of enthusiasm and driven forces without you being there? Yeah.

00:58:39:21 - 00:58:40:07
Daniel Franco
Correct.

00:58:41:00 - 00:58:43:23
Flavia Tata Nardini
That worries me. Yeah. So I'm working on that.

00:58:44:07 - 00:58:48:03
Daniel Franco
Do you find yourself apologizing for making decisions and changing?

00:58:48:09 - 00:58:55:04
Flavia Tata Nardini
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. All the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I apologize a lot. And because that's.

00:58:55:04 - 00:58:56:10
Daniel Franco
Detriment as a CEO.

00:58:56:10 - 00:59:03:16
Flavia Tata Nardini
Not, not or it's fine, you know. Yeah. And I screwed up sometimes and I get all the time myself.

00:59:03:16 - 00:59:04:18
Daniel Franco
Apologizing every single day.

00:59:04:18 - 00:59:08:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, I apologize all the time. And. And I laugh about it.

00:59:08:01 - 00:59:11:10
Daniel Franco
But sometimes I think to myself that I'm apologizing for something that I actually believe in.

00:59:11:17 - 00:59:30:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, yeah, I get it. But, you know, I'm I'm I'm a funny personality, so sometimes I just call to people and I a man, I made the decision. I'm sorry. I know I piss you off as toddler is up. You know, I've done it because I thought that I was doing things and then that was the consequences. So I'm sorry.

00:59:30:18 - 00:59:36:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
And people are like, oh, don't worry. I think I'm I'm just a good person. So, you know, people don't really mind.

00:59:36:14 - 00:59:56:06
Daniel Franco
I'm going to go on a limb here and say that it feels like, from what I'm hearing, that, you know, you have a really innovative and fast moving and very thoughtful and data driven culture. Right. It sounds like that you have a really great culture of fleet space. Obviously, people are wanting to work for the company, which is which is says something in its own right.

00:59:56:16 - 01:00:03:22
Daniel Franco
And do you place a lot of emphasis as CEO? Do you place a lot of emphasis on creating the culture where people want to work?

01:00:04:02 - 01:00:27:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, I do. And You know, we spend a lot of time practically in the past years and it's such a difficult dynamic, you know, because the big problem is, is not just the people. There are two type of people, people who love startups, the people they hate. And there is nothing in the middle. You are not in a startup because I am going to spend two years people that just can't go fit are now gone in two weeks.

01:00:27:15 - 01:00:51:21
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. And people that can stay seven years. This is the best place ever. So bizarre. Do you know what I mean? And I have learned to see that when people suffer as they suffer a lot, you know, they coming flee the statement that they can't sleep at night and they're super stressed and everything triggers them and that hurts you.

01:00:52:05 - 01:00:54:00
Daniel Franco
Have you changed your hiring for that?

01:00:54:00 - 01:01:14:06
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yes, it's hard to identify, though. It is so hard to identify. You know, at the beginning I thought people that I work you start ups as better people that being corporate I've see a force of big corporate that agile as anything our people that I know my my general counsel as you wouldn't imagine a bank you would think gosh you will never cope.

01:01:14:06 - 01:01:27:16
Flavia Tata Nardini
She loves it. And then you get people in a startup that it's hard to identify. Yeah, you know, it's hard to identify. And you see people struggling and hate and it's a, you know, it's just who they are.

01:01:28:01 - 01:01:29:22
Daniel Franco
And that's the cutting the arm off piece, right.

01:01:29:22 - 01:01:39:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. And you need to let them go a year to look them in the eye as a body. I know you wanted this, but you're not going to be happy here. I'm not going to be happy. You're not going to be happy.

01:01:39:19 - 01:01:40:23
Daniel Franco
And we're allowed to be adults.

01:01:41:01 - 01:01:52:02
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, and you just have to go. Correct. So now it happens even more often if people leave it after two weeks or three weeks or a month because that I'm like, oh my God.

01:01:52:03 - 01:02:13:15
Daniel Franco
Different to what I thought I was signing up for the. Do you think so? Even when just with Sinjar come to my business we I think we spend more more time talking people out of being consultants than intimate consultants are like that's part of our hiring process that you show this you're living with ambiguity you actually what.

01:02:13:16 - 01:02:13:23
Flavia Tata Nardini
Are.

01:02:14:19 - 01:02:28:12
Daniel Franco
You going to be dealing with problems with not many people around at that particular time supporting you. It's like you can turn to the next person because we're working on site, we're working within our clients. We actually talk people out of consulting.

01:02:28:12 - 01:02:30:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
I like it is very clever to see how they.

01:02:30:18 - 01:02:32:15
Daniel Franco
React, correct? Yeah. So that.

01:02:32:15 - 01:02:34:17
Flavia Tata Nardini
That said, the clear expectation I.

01:02:34:17 - 01:02:44:15
Daniel Franco
Think that's part of the journey of from a recruitment point of view is if you know Jim Collins, good to great scenario. Let's get the right people on the bus who want to go in the same direction is that.

01:02:44:17 - 01:02:58:17
Flavia Tata Nardini
I talk to like and I like what you are saying and it's something that probably we should do more often. You know, I always say when when people come to me and say, oh, you know, I want to be what's the advice you're going to give me? I want to be a space entrepreneur. I always say, don't do it.

01:02:58:17 - 01:02:58:24
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

01:02:59:10 - 01:03:17:01
Flavia Tata Nardini
I'm on your side. It's stressful gonna ruin your life. You're going to divorce. It's going to be horrible. And just when people and then I don't do it to hurt them. Yeah, I know that what is needed to hear that feedback is such a love that if I see that they do it, I know that they will be successful.

01:03:17:18 - 01:03:32:05
Daniel Franco
Well, yes, correct. If you push someone down a path because you love it based on your perspectives, based on the boundaries that you work to write, based on the impact that you can give. And then I think that that's the world that they're going to live in. It's wrong.

01:03:32:07 - 01:03:33:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
It's wrong.

01:03:33:00 - 01:03:50:13
Daniel Franco
We use an analogy here. It's knee jerk. You called the street corner analogy. If you think about you, you're standing at an intersection, right? Yeah. And your intersection and you're in one corner and I'm in another corner opposite corners of this intersection. And there's a car accident that happens.

01:03:50:17 - 01:03:51:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
In the middle.

01:03:51:24 - 01:04:05:24
Daniel Franco
You and I both see the exact same car accident, but see it from different perspective. Yes. Right. You didn't see the look that that ran in front of the car. That's why the car slammed on its brakes. In the car. All you saw was the car behind hit the back of the car.

01:04:06:00 - 01:04:06:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yes.

01:04:06:12 - 01:04:13:12
Daniel Franco
You saw two different things. I saw the car. I saw the reason or you saw was this other person speeding, not paying attention and crashing into it. So.

01:04:14:12 - 01:04:16:02
Flavia Tata Nardini
So when we use clever. Yeah.

01:04:16:02 - 01:04:24:08
Daniel Franco
So when we have when we when we when we give advice, we really need to understand from the other person's perspective what they're.

01:04:24:08 - 01:04:25:24
Flavia Tata Nardini
Seeing in all the four corners.

01:04:25:24 - 01:04:29:09
Daniel Franco
In all the four corners, correct. Is everyone seeing it from a different angle.

01:04:29:09 - 01:04:30:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, exactly.

01:04:30:09 - 01:04:46:06
Daniel Franco
And we talk about boundaries as well. When you create boundaries and you're thinking about hiring people in when you're explaining the job role within your organization, it's like this is, you know, this is what we do. Right. I think the most important part of it is this is what we don't do.

01:04:46:17 - 01:04:47:24
Flavia Tata Nardini
And I agree. Yeah.

01:04:47:24 - 01:04:49:03
Daniel Franco
And this is what we're not.

01:04:49:04 - 01:04:59:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think probably that's something that we don't do enough by, you know, another you're talking. I think we should do it more often. Yeah, but people need to realize because.

01:04:59:19 - 01:05:01:11
Daniel Franco
What stops the two week stuff.

01:05:01:11 - 01:05:01:20
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah.

01:05:02:24 - 01:05:07:00
Daniel Franco
Stop it. Full stop. But it stops it, it reduces it drastically.

01:05:07:00 - 01:05:26:10
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, I agree because the reality that people or people say I can jump in, I start up like Fadi looks cool from the outside. Wow. Female CEO Wow Launches Satellite Models Hardware. Yeah. You know when you get into is messy no procedures lots of problems product problems lots of customers some of them and I just it's a startup.

01:05:26:10 - 01:05:27:13
Daniel Franco
Yeah it's yeah.

01:05:28:00 - 01:05:33:22
Flavia Tata Nardini
You know you need to have a very happy soul. Yeah I great. Yeah. We are very ambitious.

01:05:34:01 - 01:05:38:01
Daniel Franco
And do with things that change daily. Right. I think that's.

01:05:38:02 - 01:05:54:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah I agree. It's something that I've learned this year that is fascinated me is so I was a big, you know, basketball, a basketball player and I realized in the past year that the best employees have got a very, very high level sports players.

01:05:54:13 - 01:05:54:20
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

01:05:55:04 - 01:06:13:19
Flavia Tata Nardini
So everyone that is a really high level sports, they love it, they love the competition, they love the struggle, they love the setbacks. You know, they never give up. They got up professionally. So that's something that I've changed and I'm telling everyone check what they do or sport.

01:06:13:19 - 01:06:14:17
Daniel Franco
Yeah, I agree.

01:06:15:00 - 01:06:15:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
Fascinating.

01:06:15:18 - 01:06:23:12
Daniel Franco
I as a junior and played very high level sport played for Australia we represented Australia in in cricket and.

01:06:23:12 - 01:06:24:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
Cool.

01:06:24:03 - 01:06:38:00
Daniel Franco
In like on the fifth day like it was junior level but but I do believe and I played the football as well at a quite a high level for Junior, but I do believe that, um, sport is fundamental.

01:06:38:00 - 01:06:38:22
Flavia Tata Nardini
Fundamental.

01:06:39:03 - 01:06:43:05
Daniel Franco
Because, and I'll say this and I'm pushing, I've got two daughters, well, who played basketball so.

01:06:43:05 - 01:06:45:22
Flavia Tata Nardini
My daughter play basketball. Yeah, we're, we're boss.

01:06:45:22 - 01:07:01:18
Daniel Franco
We've now a basketball family. But I pushed them into it and I push a lot of my parents, my friends who are parents and and I tell them, you know, get your kids into team sports. Team sports because you deal with personalities.

01:07:01:18 - 01:07:02:03
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah.

01:07:02:04 - 01:07:03:06
Daniel Franco
You set goals.

01:07:03:14 - 01:07:12:12
Flavia Tata Nardini
Everything together. You work together. When you win, you don't play good. But the other wins. When you lose, you play good. There's so many scenarios that you show this.

01:07:12:16 - 01:07:24:16
Daniel Franco
Constant feedback that comes with it, right? You kick the ball bad or you have a shot at goal and you shoot the basketball and you miss the instant feedback is next time. A little bit more to the left.

01:07:24:16 - 01:07:25:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
Exactly.

01:07:25:11 - 01:07:31:01
Daniel Franco
Next time, a little bit harder. It's instant feedback. With everything that you do, you come off onto the bench and the coaches.

01:07:31:02 - 01:07:53:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
And there are some things that teaches you that they're very interested in. They love learn it. The sport teaches you that you cannot have five. Cristiano Ronaldo. Correct. Okay. A team with five. Cristiano Ronaldo will not go anywhere, you know, you cannot have. So you need to have a star and the others are around this star and no one sees them.

01:07:53:18 - 01:08:05:01
Flavia Tata Nardini
But without them the star doesn't achieve. So it's just it teaches you that also that invisible person in the team, in your business, without that person, you're not going to make it.

01:08:05:04 - 01:08:08:18
Daniel Franco
In the space. Since it's the dark matter, it's the stuff that holds everything.

01:08:09:02 - 01:08:18:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
Together that no one talks about. And I think that's a huge lesson that that digest sport people. It's bizarre. I agree. I love.

01:08:18:19 - 01:08:29:11
Daniel Franco
You. Think about it like soccer, football. It's the back line which is the most important people in the team because they're stopping the other team score the goal that get really no it's always the striker or the sport.

01:08:29:12 - 01:08:45:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah that is I my daughter of basketball she's a rebound monster like she gets all the rebounds and she's like, mama, not that good a shooting. I'm like, man, you take all the rebounds. Yeah. So every time they make a mistake, it's our ball. And every time a your one of your girls doesn't show you the team another chance.

01:08:45:15 - 01:08:47:19
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. You are the most critical person. 100.

01:08:47:19 - 01:09:00:04
Daniel Franco
Percent. That's so funny to say, because with my daughter, she she's not a very good shot on goal from a basketball point of view, but has more assists than anyone else in the team. Right. And I say to that.

01:09:00:04 - 01:09:00:12
Flavia Tata Nardini
It's so.

01:09:00:12 - 01:09:05:24
Daniel Franco
Cool you're setting up the play like that. Is possibly one of the most important pieces.

01:09:05:24 - 01:09:06:10
Flavia Tata Nardini
I agree.

01:09:06:10 - 01:09:10:18
Daniel Franco
I'm the one scoring the goals, but you're setting them up. You're giving direction like.

01:09:10:18 - 01:09:21:13
Flavia Tata Nardini
That is how you see them, but they're not focused yourself versus I love sport and I'm seeing more and more connection between start up and sport that I cannot avoid.

01:09:21:14 - 01:09:22:03
Daniel Franco
You can't ignore.

01:09:22:04 - 01:09:23:13
Flavia Tata Nardini
It by themselves.

01:09:23:13 - 01:09:31:05
Daniel Franco
Unavoidable, I think. Yeah, I think you're right as part of your recruitment process. Not that you say, oh, because you're dealing in a tech world, right? So sport may not.

01:09:31:05 - 01:09:50:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
Be that's the thing. But, you know, I have I have an Olympic champion. I have a triathlon champion. I have a basketball guy that were played in there in Indiana and B at USC. And they're just gone. And, you know, for us that funny enough, this quarter is way less busy than last quarter. And these are very interesting people that they perform.

01:09:50:14 - 01:09:59:16
Flavia Tata Nardini
I'm the same. They perform better on the stress. Yeah. So when there is like the first a a month, you see them walking around, they're like, What are you doing? I'm getting bored.

01:09:59:21 - 01:10:01:03
Daniel Franco
Walking around with a piece of paper. Yeah.

01:10:01:10 - 01:10:07:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
I can read a book. So those people. Yeah, that's 40 people. Yeah. You know, and it's just so good, man.

01:10:07:10 - 01:10:23:22
Daniel Franco
It is really interesting. I love it. I want to talk about like right now, I can the the life coming out of you and we've talked a little bit about about the depression and all the above. What I want to talk about happiness, right? Yeah. It seems to me that you're absolutely in love with the work that you do.

01:10:24:04 - 01:10:44:18
Daniel Franco
And happiness is is I guess it can be a fleeting emotion, but let's call it contentedness or whatever we want to call it. If it was a recipe or a concoction, like if we think about happiness as a recipe or a concoction and it had sort of all these different ingredients that go into it, like different behaviors, different things.

01:10:44:18 - 01:10:55:05
Daniel Franco
What what do you think would be the best behaviors that would make you as a CEO of, Fleet Spice happy, would make you perform at your best.

01:10:55:05 - 01:11:17:13
Flavia Tata Nardini
So why not think about the period, see if I'm more content, that's cool it or happy it is not everything that happened a fleet is is in general okay so the weeks that I'm the best mentally and just just happy there are some weeks that I'm like, I'm just going to walk away. Okay, let's talk about a good week.

01:11:17:13 - 01:11:38:16
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, there is a combination of, I think in your life an enormous role as guy, your partner. I think love know it sounds really crazy, but when love is in balance, it's just so good. You know, I think like if I. I hope something for my daughters. Yeah. The one.

01:11:38:16 - 01:11:38:22
Daniel Franco
Funny.

01:11:39:05 - 01:12:14:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
Because it makes your life really beautiful and sleep is good I think, you know, old days are worse when you don't, you know, and that's fine for me is I don't know it's when you wake up and you got the ability. So one thing that really helps me is just go a step. At the time, you know, a lot of people wake up and go to sleep and and think about, oh, my God, there are all these things that I need to phase for me, happiness, just navigating, you know?

01:12:14:16 - 01:12:37:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. Funnily enough, I wake up in the morning and I don't have any idea what I have to do in the afternoon. I just navigate my agenda one after the other I like, I like walking around fleet and I just like being around people and walking around and I annoy them. I just love it. You know, when I go, it's one engineer that is new and say, What are you up to?

01:12:37:14 - 01:13:04:10
Flavia Tata Nardini
And I go there, in there that makes me happy and makes me feel for me. Happiness is having eyes. But when, when families imbalance, when I walk a lot that I don't do enough, when I manage to just go around and talk with people and make them feel good and get them as my of lead. Because life is tough when the dogs are out of fleet.

01:13:04:10 - 01:13:22:06
Flavia Tata Nardini
I love I love when the dogs are a fleet. That's one make my day feel good, you know. And when I've got the feeling that I've learned something and I've done my good decision a day. Yeah, I go to sleep quite well. Yeah, I love that. And it's very simple things, you know.

01:13:22:06 - 01:13:31:11
Daniel Franco
I think it goes to show that it's not the business, it's not the everyday doing of things, but it's the being present in the moment that can really cause.

01:13:31:11 - 01:13:50:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
That's something that depression and people and you know, the way you go over depression is just being there in the moment. You know, for example, I don't I don't suck body sucks looks like for me success look like daily happiness yeah that is daily the success of every person. I had depression like today I was pretty good. Yeah, that is good.

01:13:50:19 - 01:13:59:21
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. Yeah. Know it's a win and the rest. I don't talk about revenue and how many satellites because that will come. Yeah I agree that will come you know.

01:13:59:23 - 01:14:20:01
Daniel Franco
Do you think this might sound like a really silly question, but I just as you was talking there and you were talking about there's some people that wake up and they just think about all the things that they going to do. And the, you know, they're the center of the universe. Do you think working in space now? I'm drawing this analogy because space is so vast, right?

01:14:20:01 - 01:14:21:21
Daniel Franco
Space is.

01:14:21:21 - 01:14:24:06
Flavia Tata Nardini
It's it's space is outer space.

01:14:24:06 - 01:14:48:05
Daniel Franco
Is just like it's actually mind boggling when you understand the size of it, the amount of galaxy. Like, it's just mind boggling, right? The observable universe is just like 13.8 billion. Like, I love all this stuff too. Right. And so do you think that by working in this vastness that you work in allows you to be less stressed?

01:14:48:14 - 01:15:02:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
I actually think there is something connected to that. You know, people get stressed about a lot of little things, you know, in the company. And sometimes I remember them that we have launched satellites. They work in space who last that know.

01:15:02:17 - 01:15:04:11
Daniel Franco
It's like you're just feeling.

01:15:05:09 - 01:15:23:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
That and the biggest problems right you know if you have a team that had the ability launch a satellite in the sky, the works, there is nothing that that team cannot do. Yeah. So, you know, when they call me and say, you know, we, we had a problem with a customer, it's a problem of communication or like they are not happy with that.

01:15:23:11 - 01:15:49:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
And I'm like, for me it's such a small problem. I had problem with rockets and very things are we solved the most complicated issues? We want to put things on the moon. Surely I can call this customer and I apologize exactly. You know, so in in in in in a in a context where that is the most critical things that happened for us is like we have pushed us to achieve crazy things.

01:15:50:00 - 01:15:59:19
Flavia Tata Nardini
Surely we can fix everything else. So that's the thing that I feel every day that probably makes me feel that way. You know.

01:15:59:19 - 01:16:20:11
Daniel Franco
The it's just so right, because you're doing such difficult things by what you're doing, right? Launching something into like it's mind boggling that you're doing that. But then, yeah, like you said, not dealing with this mundane little task is the part that's holding me or causing me the most angst, but I'm able to put it right.

01:16:20:11 - 01:16:41:19
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, that doesn't make sense. I was in the coming year talking in my leadership meeting daily and the girls were in the car and I was telling my team, you know, we're having some problems. I just talk to people, tell them who we are, tell them that our startups, that we make mistakes, we'll fix them. Yeah. Talk with your heart because we are trying to do something really big and it's not going to get perfect.

01:16:42:02 - 01:16:52:03
Flavia Tata Nardini
Oh, we have launched satellite in space. We can fix this, you know, and then I hang up and my daughter was like, that was such a beautiful space. And I thought I was funny. So that's how I said, you know.

01:16:52:16 - 01:17:09:09
Daniel Franco
It's so profound for your kids to hear that in the car. I think that's one thing that's, you know, going back to the point of children who have parents who are in businesses. Right. It's because they hear it. They they're going through the everyday pains that we go through.

01:17:09:18 - 01:17:10:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
That they.

01:17:10:09 - 01:17:11:14
Daniel Franco
Can read our emotions.

01:17:11:19 - 01:17:30:06
Flavia Tata Nardini
Exactly. And they are amazing kids. You know, my daughter, my nine year old, she one now she's since two years wanted she has been telling me that she wants to be an actress. So I'm then I'm like, of course you go for it. But of course she wants to win the Oscar. Yeah. So she's like, not ambitious, you know, she's like, I'm going to win the Oscar.

01:17:30:06 - 01:17:38:01
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. And I'm like, That's probably more difficult than going to Mars. You know, I like, you know, that's a smaller chance to win the Oscar that that the landing Mars.

01:17:38:01 - 01:17:38:19
Daniel Franco
Percentage point of.

01:17:38:19 - 01:17:51:08
Flavia Tata Nardini
View it as is like she's like every day she's rehearsing and practicing this speech so she's you know, I bought her like a fake Oscar, you know, and she's as a thank you every once. And I mean, Catarina.

01:17:51:08 - 01:17:52:11
Daniel Franco
Catarina and your eldest.

01:17:52:11 - 01:17:56:01
Flavia Tata Nardini
Is as a Korean as my eldest story is that I got.

01:17:56:01 - 01:17:57:15
Daniel Franco
Her in is the one that wants to the actor, she.

01:17:57:15 - 01:18:10:01
Flavia Tata Nardini
Wants to be the actress. And that's the thing that I always tell her. I'm I'm going to go and live in Hollywood and I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. And she just pictures the success, right? She's there talking about that. And I think that's super cool.

01:18:11:01 - 01:18:14:16
Daniel Franco
And to have a mom and a dad that is going to help her nurture that.

01:18:14:16 - 01:18:15:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, you.

01:18:15:14 - 01:18:16:20
Daniel Franco
Know, he's amazing.

01:18:16:20 - 01:18:19:10
Flavia Tata Nardini
We've got a bigger responsibility and all these little ones.

01:18:19:19 - 01:18:30:22
Daniel Franco
I think you do. You and I had a conversation a couple of tell me earlier this week, I think it was where you said you're currently reflecting on a few things in your life. At the moment you are.

01:18:31:02 - 01:18:32:07
Flavia Tata Nardini
What's next? Yeah.

01:18:32:07 - 01:18:42:22
Daniel Franco
With what's next stuff you're I'm really interested in that space because, you know, you are a thinker. You are someone that does, you know, the long walks in the beach or whatever it might be. What is it that you are thinking about?

01:18:42:24 - 01:19:04:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
I don't know what. The thing is that I'm passionate, a lot of little things, you know. So I'm looking at fleet and I'm sitting I you know, I'm young steel and if this 40 feels like it's come too early and I'm thinking, what's going to happen with this company? Okay. I always said with Fleet that what I wanted to achieve with Fleet is to make Fleet a unicorn.

01:19:04:11 - 01:19:25:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
I wanted to first base unicorn in the country to be fleet. That's it. Yeah. And not because of the money that I would get out of it or my shareholders that that's is important is because of the growth. Yeah. I always thought if I go through ten years of such a growth from 0 to 0 and beyond, who, what kind of human being will I be?

01:19:25:24 - 01:19:46:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
That is cool, right? And what, what will I have to keep going and helping. So fleet for me, I don't have seats with I want I want a fleet to go big. But I love a lot of things, you know so I'll it and I don't care about money that is so weird to say and money are not important to me.

01:19:46:17 - 01:19:50:21
Flavia Tata Nardini
I grew up in a family which money broke my family. So for me, money is our trouble.

01:19:50:21 - 01:19:55:16
Daniel Franco
We'll ask that question, you know, what is that concoction? And money doesn't come into the equation at all, does it?

01:19:55:18 - 01:20:18:17
Flavia Tata Nardini
For me, money doesn't come to me. Getting it all out for people does for me is trouble. So, you know, like that. So I'm just constantly thinking if I would get out of money, I will do. And, you know, I'm writing 40 things that I would like to do and they're all bizarre. Like, you know, those are all things that comes from my love, you know, like, I would like to help the elephants in the rainforest.

01:20:18:17 - 01:20:40:16
Flavia Tata Nardini
I've got all these causes that I'd be following in years, you know? And So I've been doing this math, and I'm like, maybe when I'm 50, I can take six months every year and go to a place and them. And now the lions, the elephants of of, you know, like going and help someone in the war and and just yeah.

01:20:40:20 - 01:21:02:03
Flavia Tata Nardini
What I want I leave ten, 15 years like this doing one after the other. Um, my, my daughters will be at university. They will not want to see me at all, even though when I come with me to this. So I to really spend the less the like from 60 plus 50 blasted 20 years of my life going everywhere and seeing things.

01:21:02:03 - 01:21:06:13
Flavia Tata Nardini
I will be a super happy. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm going to be.

01:21:06:13 - 01:21:15:18
Daniel Franco
I think I'm on board with that. It's the it's exploring what being a human has to offer. I like it's exploring.

01:21:15:18 - 01:21:17:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
And I know everyone I do every.

01:21:17:14 - 01:21:18:23
Daniel Franco
Behavior, every.

01:21:18:24 - 01:21:38:16
Flavia Tata Nardini
Every culture and I want to just see. So I'm not the kind of person that, you know, become I if I ever become a millionaire, I want to help my family and my friends and everything, but I will not buy a huge house. And then then in any copter I know, I just going to go give a couple of million to an elephant park and I don't know why, but that's who I am.

01:21:38:22 - 01:21:51:22
Daniel Franco
I love that. IT When we did talk about the happiness thing before you mentioned love, I want to talk to that for a moment. You're you're obviously madly in love with your husband, which is amazing to hear.

01:21:52:10 - 01:21:58:17
Flavia Tata Nardini
Oh, yeah. Yes or no, because that happened. I divorced that also. But I guess I'm madly in love with someone.

01:21:58:20 - 01:22:05:21
Daniel Franco
With someone else. They go see a new partner. It sounds like there is. Yes. Love that. Yes. Which is amazing. Sorry that Assad didn't pick that up.

01:22:06:00 - 01:22:10:23
Flavia Tata Nardini
Oh, yeah, that's fine. As far as is that part of the startup of going back to that so.

01:22:11:05 - 01:22:21:09
Daniel Franco
So interesting that topic then anyway. Oh interesting. The question is still relevant. Is that something do you work on your relationship as much as you work on being a CEO?

01:22:21:15 - 01:22:24:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah and probably more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably more.

01:22:24:21 - 01:22:33:12
Daniel Franco
And is that because of the failed attempts that you've had then, or is that something that you just. Actually, I really, really admire? You know, you want to be with this person.

01:22:33:14 - 01:22:54:12
Flavia Tata Nardini
First of all, I'm a very romantic and I love to be to share life with that person. Okay. And, um, and I it's hard, you know, I've been through, I feel a tender. We loved each other very much. We gave birth to two beautiful girls. We still take care of each other. I profoundly. But love is not giving for certain.

01:22:54:12 - 01:23:13:05
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. You really need to operate a love affair for it in a good way. Not. You know what I was saying before? It's not like is it has to be difficult but it's a planned. Yeah. And if you don't catch the wrong arms and the wrong things it grows in the wrong direction and is something that I have ever given for granted.

01:23:13:05 - 01:23:35:23
Flavia Tata Nardini
You know, meet someone you love that is just going to be fine. I don't think that's the case. Yeah. And you're never going to achieve anything in life. Is someone next to you, doesn't really support you and be there for you. You can dream together or you can blend together and I love it. Is is it is like, you know when I was telling you about being CEO, you always grow.

01:23:35:23 - 01:24:00:16
Flavia Tata Nardini
I think what you do in a relationship, you always grow. Yeah. And, um, and I'm not an easy person to be with, you know, since the day that I, I think I'm an easy person to be with, but I really think about love and what it means to me, you know? And yes, I. Yeah. Spend a lot of time try to make it good to you.

01:24:00:16 - 01:24:20:16
Daniel Franco
Tell us about like a question that I asked quite often on this podcast is how do we realize our visions, right? Which is obviously fully and what you the unicorn. So how do we realize our visions, um, and aspire to be the best person that we can be whilst trying to cultivate these loving relationships? Like.

01:24:21:04 - 01:24:21:21
Flavia Tata Nardini
How do you do that?

01:24:22:12 - 01:24:24:02
Daniel Franco
Do you separate it? Or do you try to.

01:24:24:04 - 01:24:35:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
Interpret something that you've missed that is going to make you laugh? Now you're ready. Okay, so my partner is my co-founder of Fleet. Oh, there you go. There you go. Okay. So answering your question that if.

01:24:35:15 - 01:24:39:09
Daniel Franco
I didn't read this news, I don't know much research and what didn't pick this up.

01:24:39:09 - 01:25:01:20
Flavia Tata Nardini
It is it is. It happens, you know, after after my divorce and everything. But and it's interesting because how do you do that? You Know your co-founder team. Yeah. You always together you got a private life. You go there, you're such a different co-founder, such a different brain and that. Yeah, we never fight at all like I think we never had a fight in years.

01:25:01:23 - 01:25:38:22
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. And way more as CEO and and as so you know sometimes you're like oh what are you doing at oh yeah it is. You need to find a good balance. I mean, like we dream about the same things, you know, we, we, it's just a constant support and having someone that exactly know it is, it is very hard for a partner as a wife and as entrepreneurs understand 100% they love you, but they never understand underrepresented, never understand why that they you come home and you are so stressed about the thing that seems nothing to them and they understand they love you, but they just cannot.

01:25:39:04 - 01:25:51:24
Flavia Tata Nardini
Why you are with the same entrepreneur or the same entrepreneur in your company. You don't have to talk. They look at your face it exactly. You know what this come from, you know? Yeah. You don't need to explain it. Yeah, well, and that was good.

01:25:51:24 - 01:26:01:24
Daniel Franco
So it does sound like it sounds amazing, but like what's going through my head right now is entrepreneurship is complex enough, but when you learn a relationship with your partner, it almost.

01:26:02:03 - 01:26:02:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
Become.

01:26:02:13 - 01:26:03:13
Daniel Franco
Even more complex. You know.

01:26:03:24 - 01:26:07:22
Flavia Tata Nardini
We are making it work, you know, horrible way that we don't know how. Yeah.

01:26:07:23 - 01:26:10:01
Daniel Franco
So you just wanted to add more complexity to.

01:26:10:01 - 01:26:19:13
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, and I think you, you had more magic and more complexity. And I think if you're going to really want to go really far, you need to add a lot of magic and a lot of complexity.

01:26:19:23 - 01:26:40:12
Daniel Franco
That's brilliant. Let's talk about Fleet. I am conscious of your time. If want to just talk about Fleet, you are on path to becoming this unicorn. What? Tell me about the exciting things that are coming in. Like what is it? Just the continuing growth of what you're doing? I know this mining and minerals thing, but to me that's really.

01:26:40:13 - 01:26:41:19
Flavia Tata Nardini
That is really cool.

01:26:42:03 - 01:26:53:04
Daniel Franco
Looking. So I'm just going to say this and I'm going to this is what I picked up from some talks and whatnot. But you're listening to the earth just looking through it. Is that part of the way it works?

01:26:53:04 - 01:27:10:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
Absolutely. You know, the difficulties, things. Yeah, we've been working on these for a few years, but this year is taking really off. Yeah, this is amazing. Yeah. It's also very scary because we we are still small company and, you know, we onboarded 25 customers. So we simply are building the capability to circle.

01:27:10:18 - 01:27:13:05
Daniel Franco
Back to that where the startup please, could you please just bear with us.

01:27:13:14 - 01:27:33:22
Flavia Tata Nardini
Here, just bear for us at the moment because we didn't expect these growth and and so we are just catching up. Yeah. Yeah. And it's beautiful that you made the product market fit, but then when he's so big, you're like, Oh, yeah, okay, wait a second. I need to hire that 30 people and sort it out. How we going to ship this thing?

01:27:33:22 - 01:27:36:13
Flavia Tata Nardini
So, you know, so you need to sort out everything. So, so can.

01:27:36:13 - 01:27:38:10
Daniel Franco
You explain it? Is this the satellites?

01:27:38:18 - 01:27:39:23
Flavia Tata Nardini
So they start in the lower.

01:27:39:23 - 01:27:42:06
Daniel Franco
Orbit, looking down, being able to read what's underneath the.

01:27:42:06 - 01:27:54:24
Flavia Tata Nardini
Earth. Correct So we use our techniques are usually mining companies is a big problem to solve looking for new deposits and if you look at critical minerals yeah so all the minerals that are used in batteries and solar panels and are neither in.

01:27:54:24 - 01:27:55:11
Daniel Franco
Lithium and.

01:27:55:11 - 01:28:01:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
Heavy car like that. So we need like 40 times more lead in to tangible copper. It's, it's, it's huge.

01:28:01:15 - 01:28:03:23
Daniel Franco
What we need is like a lithium. Sure. Is that correct?

01:28:03:23 - 01:28:26:03
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, that's correct. You know, so Tesla. Right. Is like give me live. Yeah. And it's it's a really complex problem. Yeah. And everything that was found has been found and you know, so we need to go deeper. How do we go deeper? Usually drilling that is complicated because it's not really is is like a science, you know, just drill, drill, drill and try to find.

01:28:26:12 - 01:28:54:04
Flavia Tata Nardini
So we started using this technique that allows you to deploy arrays on a tenement and they to the satellites, they can listen to waves and earthquakes and all the movements of Earth and can. It's geophysics, right? So it's very complicated. Yeah. So we started and it is it is, it is world changing and it is very complicated. It's like machine learning a satellite, an edge computing, you name it.

01:28:54:19 - 01:29:00:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
And we are to something, a concept plus something really, really big and now we just need to deliver.

01:29:01:04 - 01:29:09:09
Daniel Franco
So that is well, you know, in like if we're searching for exoplanets, right? So another planet where we can live on and you and you scan these planets and they've got different colors, you can see if there's carbon.

01:29:09:18 - 01:29:10:05
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah.

01:29:10:06 - 01:29:11:11
Daniel Franco
See the colors. Right.

01:29:11:11 - 01:29:13:03
Flavia Tata Nardini
And kind of understand. So this one.

01:29:13:16 - 01:29:13:22
Daniel Franco
Sort of.

01:29:13:22 - 01:29:30:02
Flavia Tata Nardini
Thing. So when, when I have something that I didn't realize till I started working. So if you are near me, that's if you put one of these sensors in image of Australia you can hear the waves crashing on the Western Australian course that they send a signal, a wave all through the continent. That is insane to start with.

01:29:30:08 - 01:29:52:21
Flavia Tata Nardini
Right. So these waves and, you know, move into the rocks, the velocity is a proxy for density. So if it's, you know, if it's a lithium rock or a lithium deposit changes velocity if you eat a copper deposit. So you have all these colors that say, is this lithium that's copper, that's uranium, that's.

01:29:52:22 - 01:29:53:22
Daniel Franco
You have different sounds.

01:29:53:22 - 01:29:54:05
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah.

01:29:54:16 - 01:29:55:10
Daniel Franco
That's amazing.

01:29:55:10 - 01:29:56:06
Flavia Tata Nardini
So it is we.

01:29:56:06 - 01:29:57:03
Daniel Franco
Came up with this idea.

01:29:57:12 - 01:30:21:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
So this is this is a technique that's been used in volcanology a while, but in academia, never been brought into mining. So now we are bringing together a geology and a geophysicist that are solving another of the major problems of the universe, finding metals underneath the surface like that space. That's insane. You know, it just. It's like bringing all the biggest problems together.

01:30:21:09 - 01:30:23:04
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. And go and solve it.

01:30:23:05 - 01:30:30:01
Daniel Franco
Do you know when you sit around at a at a at a Christmas party and you're all trying to come up with the next great idea? No one's ever come up with that.

01:30:30:01 - 01:30:37:12
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. No, no, it's unbelievable. Oh, no. No one said the next good idea should be your satellites is for mining. Yeah, that's.

01:30:37:12 - 01:30:45:02
Daniel Franco
What I'm saying. Like, it's just so outside the realms of what we would think is possible. Like my my mortal brain would.

01:30:45:17 - 01:30:52:02
Flavia Tata Nardini
Even my mortal brain, you know, is trying to learn geology and geophysicist and it's just basic. It's hard.

01:30:52:20 - 01:31:03:07
Daniel Franco
So you guys have one recently been announced one of the top startups to watch yeah know is that is that because of this technology now. Yeah the game changer for.

01:31:03:08 - 01:31:06:06
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah I hope so. Yeah. Yeah I think so yeah.

01:31:06:07 - 01:31:08:03
Daniel Franco
Because I started to watch this space.

01:31:08:03 - 01:31:10:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah it's very cool.

01:31:10:00 - 01:31:14:16
Daniel Franco
Yeah. We're going to wrap up the podcast. I had so many more questions that we didn't get through.

01:31:14:19 - 01:31:18:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
Now we talk about all this stuff that you had no idea. I don't want to talk about.

01:31:18:15 - 01:31:19:13
Daniel Franco
Where we went was.

01:31:19:21 - 01:31:20:19
Flavia Tata Nardini
Was beautifully.

01:31:20:19 - 01:31:30:09
Daniel Franco
Better than what my questions were going to. But I think anyway, let's go into the quickfire questions now. I normally shoot these off to prepare for people to prepare to.

01:31:30:10 - 01:31:34:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
But because to send them to show everyone, I have no idea what is happening.

01:31:34:23 - 01:31:36:21
Daniel Franco
So this is going to be right off the cuff.

01:31:36:21 - 01:31:38:10
Flavia Tata Nardini
It's got to be horrible. Okay.

01:31:38:10 - 01:31:39:11
Daniel Franco
What are you reading now?

01:31:39:18 - 01:32:03:20
Flavia Tata Nardini
Interesting. I'm reading a book in Italian that talks about a student that is exactly fascinated. Talk about a student in school is a real story that he was absolutely horrible in school, in math, science, everything. So you repeat that many years, many, many times. So you finish when he was like 22 or something you just couldn't get a he couldn't get math, he couldn't get science, he couldn't get anything.

01:32:03:20 - 01:32:12:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
So they got him through a system like pushing. And then he became a university professor. So I'm trying to understand what happened there. I did.

01:32:12:09 - 01:32:12:16
Daniel Franco
That.

01:32:13:03 - 01:32:44:23
Flavia Tata Nardini
So I'm halfway through in Italian, so I'm off through it. But what an interesting concept, dry. So I don't know what's going to happen how you managed, but I keep you posted code. So in if you translate is it should be something like my my mathematical school I've got one of my daughters is seven years old she hates math right she hated she hated says I got online I wanted to wait here which is like one +14.

01:32:44:24 - 01:33:01:17
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. And she's like, mom, I don't want to do it. And the added day she was on a simulator, so a flying car simulator with all numbers and pilots, and she was mastering it and she was like, I've got only one minute, whatever it was, I don't know. And I saw I was looking at her like, How does your brain work?

01:33:01:17 - 01:33:05:10
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. So this is what I'm interested about now. Interesting.

01:33:06:03 - 01:33:18:16
Daniel Franco
Yeah, I know. I hear that loud and clear. If there was one book that you like a self-development book that you could gift or that you've read more than often or you know, or even a business book.

01:33:18:22 - 01:33:43:14
Flavia Tata Nardini
There is something funny that is called something like I'm surrounded by idiots and you have to read it. You it is. You should read it. The interesting things about that book is so very similar to all, you know, personality colors. You know, I'm yellow queen. And so it's really good for your self-awareness. But more than anything, it's good for dealing with people that are different than your ancestors perspectives.

01:33:43:15 - 01:33:47:07
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, those corners of them, of that incident.

01:33:47:20 - 01:33:52:09
Daniel Franco
Seem very good. Do you listen to any other podcasts other than this one? Of course.

01:33:52:23 - 01:33:57:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
Just this one. Does this financial expert just, you.

01:33:59:05 - 01:34:02:14
Daniel Franco
Know, would you listen to any others? Like is there any other the absolutely love.

01:34:04:06 - 01:34:19:09
Flavia Tata Nardini
It's random, you know, is is the things I buy the past three years we covered that podcast now is it there but every year there's so many different. So you're on Spotify, you're driving. I had just put I put so random topics that I could have yeah why.

01:34:19:12 - 01:34:24:01
Daniel Franco
I'm very you what's one lesson that's taking the longest to learn.

01:34:25:01 - 01:34:26:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
In life or in business?

01:34:27:06 - 01:34:28:16
Daniel Franco
One lesson doesn't matter.

01:34:29:05 - 01:34:52:12
Flavia Tata Nardini
The lesson is taking the longest to learn. It is even if it seems in this conversation that I have learned it. I think the most difficult things in life is to see the incident from the other corner. We just.

01:34:52:23 - 01:34:53:16
Daniel Franco
Perspective.

01:34:53:20 - 01:35:13:05
Flavia Tata Nardini
We don't do it. Yeah that is so hard to put is and it is so hard these are in business is hard in relationship. It's taking a long time to learn and it's going slower than expected. And we don't have enough enough tools to do it, you know. So it's hard to know what skills you need to.

01:35:14:04 - 01:35:21:09
Daniel Franco
You know, to improve three people that you could invite for dinner. It's a cliche question, but I like.

01:35:22:08 - 01:35:35:15
Flavia Tata Nardini
If I could invite someone over dinner, anyone. Three people live or that doesn't matter. My mom, she's dead. I I'll invite for dinner. I miss her, so I'll invite her.

01:35:35:16 - 01:35:37:06
Daniel Franco
How long ago did she pass?

01:35:37:06 - 01:35:58:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
She was four years ago. It was pancreatic cancer, so it was annoying. I will definitely invite yellow mask and just because I want to see what my mom does with yellow mask because she was and she wasn't interested at all. And I went, I was like, man, this is a very important person. She would be like, I don't care.

01:35:58:18 - 01:36:03:18
Flavia Tata Nardini
How are your kids? Bad. Does this guy have kids? I'm like, I got five.

01:36:04:11 - 01:36:05:07
Daniel Franco
So I think is your morning.

01:36:05:07 - 01:36:11:13
Flavia Tata Nardini
I had more. Yeah. So that's what would be my dinner. Me and my mom and Elon Musk would be really interesting dinner.

01:36:11:13 - 01:36:12:12
Daniel Franco
And Matt will say, Matt.

01:36:12:12 - 01:36:13:24
Flavia Tata Nardini
And Matt, that'll be really.

01:36:14:10 - 01:36:17:13
Daniel Franco
Very good if what some of the best advice you've ever received.

01:36:20:01 - 01:36:43:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
An interesting one saw is something that if you ask me what is the most important is what you came from on advice. So if you ask me what is the most important thing in your life? What is going to be? I always reply and say, the day that I'm gone, the day that I die, that I'm out of this world hopefully is going to be a good day in a sense.

01:36:44:01 - 01:37:03:06
Flavia Tata Nardini
But I want to be surrounded by love that day. Okay. This comes from an advice from my mom that, you know, used to tell me, remember that everything you do is to feel really, really good that day. That is a weird advice. So that I don't want other day to have regrets. I don't have that day to be lonely.

01:37:03:15 - 01:37:20:02
Flavia Tata Nardini
I just wanted that day to be looking back at 80, 70, 60 all the time that I will give me and think, that was awesome, you know? And a lot of people love me, a lot of people respect me and I had a good life. And that comes from a good advice.

01:37:20:02 - 01:37:28:00
Daniel Franco
What's amazing advice, if you had access to a time machine, where would you go?

01:37:28:00 - 01:37:29:10
Flavia Tata Nardini
Who in the future?

01:37:29:16 - 01:37:30:00
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

01:37:30:12 - 01:37:58:20
Flavia Tata Nardini
Of course. Has to be. You know, it will be and it will be interesting to know when, you know, because the reason why I would like to live long is to see technology happening. So for me, the must I was having this discussion yesterday, you know, and I'm an aperitivo someone bubbly. People think I'm crazy. I'm a big believer that we don't know a lot about brain and the human kind in many, many years.

01:37:58:22 - 01:38:27:02
Flavia Tata Nardini
I don't know if 500, 1000, 300, I don't know. We be able just to connect mentally and talk. You know, we were talking about twins. I can do this and we don't know how there are people. So I just want to see the technology get to this point. Yeah. And I want to see technologies. I want to probably come here in 500 years and really hope that this world is going to be still here and see what the technologies and being invented and people telepathically talking with each other that I want to see that.

01:38:27:03 - 01:38:28:19
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, it would be. Senator.

01:38:29:11 - 01:38:31:11
Daniel Franco
I don't understand anyone that wants to go back. I would like.

01:38:31:17 - 01:38:33:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
Na na na.

01:38:35:05 - 01:38:54:00
Daniel Franco
If your house was on fire. Yes. Family, kids. Everyone's safe. Yes. Dogs, pets. All the above. Yeah, all safe. What's one item that you'd run back in and save? Mm.

01:38:54:00 - 01:39:11:01
Flavia Tata Nardini
Atari like objects of design are important to me. My probably would save, um, Jewel that I have from my mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't know what I put it though, so it would take me a long time to find it. I know. I think I know where it is.

01:39:11:12 - 01:39:15:01
Daniel Franco
It's what it's in these questions. Go home right now and make sure you.

01:39:15:17 - 01:39:17:13
Flavia Tata Nardini
Put it so, um. Probably, yeah.

01:39:17:13 - 01:39:18:06
Daniel Franco
Sentimental.

01:39:18:09 - 01:39:23:13
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, yeah. It's probably something for my mom, and I know exactly what it is. I'm not sure what I put it, but I'll check it.

01:39:23:13 - 01:39:32:19
Daniel Franco
Is this your job? Your one goal tonight is to go find. I think if you had one superhero power, what would it be? You've already you've got one already.

01:39:32:19 - 01:39:34:00
Flavia Tata Nardini
I've got one already.

01:39:34:00 - 01:39:34:10
Daniel Franco
Got another.

01:39:34:10 - 01:39:42:20
Flavia Tata Nardini
One. If I had one. Um um. It's a weird one, but I would like not to sleep.

01:39:43:05 - 01:39:43:16
Daniel Franco
Not to.

01:39:43:16 - 01:39:45:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
Sleep. So I would like to be totally.

01:39:45:12 - 01:39:46:13
Daniel Franco
Doesn't need a recharge.

01:39:46:14 - 01:39:54:20
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah. So that I can live longer, do more things because it feels like I'm going to spend half of my life sleeping. Yeah. So that, that, that's what I would like.

01:39:54:20 - 01:39:56:16
Daniel Franco
You to talk about. The future. That's where we are going.

01:39:56:16 - 01:40:02:19
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, right. Because, you know, it's an entire life. You know, I would like to use every, every, every second of it, you know.

01:40:02:20 - 01:40:05:06
Daniel Franco
But we will. That's a robotic. That's what robots will do.

01:40:05:07 - 01:40:09:23
Flavia Tata Nardini
Yeah, maybe our bodies. Amelia and then put our brain in our robot. Correct.

01:40:09:23 - 01:40:19:22
Daniel Franco
Well, our bodies right now are a vessel that cannot cope with the amount of hours required to do things. I would say that's the next level is anyway.

01:40:20:04 - 01:40:25:04
Flavia Tata Nardini
Even if I like I like bodies that are good. It's a good vessel.

01:40:25:10 - 01:40:28:12
Daniel Franco
A good vessel. That's a good one for now. Won't take us to the next level.

01:40:28:22 - 01:40:33:02
Flavia Tata Nardini
Oh, now, thinking I can easily be superpower. That's good too. Okay.

01:40:34:10 - 01:40:37:24
Daniel Franco
Now to finish off my favorite. What's your best dad slash mom joke?

01:40:38:01 - 01:40:49:12
Flavia Tata Nardini
Okay, so I've checked it before and I googled it and I thought it was really funny, but now I need to remember it. What is that? T That is really hard to swallow.

01:40:50:04 - 01:40:54:19
Daniel Franco
What is it? A T that is really hard to swallow eality. Oh, it's.

01:40:55:01 - 01:40:59:06
Flavia Tata Nardini
It's an easy podcast, right? It really is annoying.


01:41:01:04 - 01:41:05:00
Daniel Franco
So we've got Catarina and Vitoria. How old are you?

01:41:05:20 - 01:41:06:14
Catarina
I'm nine.

01:41:06:14 - 01:41:12:10
Victoria
Turning ten. Nine. Turning ten. And you are? I'm Victoria.

01:41:14:00 - 01:41:16:00
Victoria
turning Seven. I am.

01:41:16:09 - 01:41:17:02
Daniel Franco
You are seven.

01:41:17:11 - 01:41:18:17
Victoria
Turning eight.

01:41:18:22 - 01:41:32:09
Daniel Franco
Excellent. Well done. Thank you for joining me on the podcast. I heard some really great things. I heard that you love math. Is that correct? No, you don't. I heard that you want to. You guys want to be an actress. What do you want to be?

01:41:33:15 - 01:41:34:23
Victoria
Um. Um.

01:41:35:13 - 01:41:37:06
Daniel Franco
I still figuring that out.

01:41:37:06 - 01:41:38:08
Catarina
I want to be an actress.

01:41:38:12 - 01:41:42:24
Daniel Franco
And you've already got an Oscar, I hear. Didn't my mum bought you a.

01:41:43:16 - 01:41:48:04
Catarina
Plastic cause we got from Dreamworld at Queensland?

01:41:48:05 - 01:41:56:10
Daniel Franco
Well, I think you're going to get a real one one day, aren't you, do you get involved with Mum's work a lot. I don't want you to help her out at work.

01:41:56:17 - 01:42:05:06
Catarina
Yeah, well, yeah. Once wanted to work, but we've tried to work there and she gave us, like $0.50 for every job.

01:42:06:23 - 01:42:10:18
Daniel Franco
Big spender. Did you. What did you do? What's a big job?

01:42:10:20 - 01:42:14:01
Catarina
Like asking if they wanted tea a big job.

01:42:14:12 - 01:42:36:12
Daniel Franco
What about coffee? Do you make them coffee. Mum doesn't drink coffee, does she? No. Do you drink coffee? You don't drink wine either. Well, that's good advice. I know your mum's Italian, but yeah, one is seven years old. Is probably not the right thing, I don't think. No. Are you proud of your mum and all the efforts that she's.

01:42:36:18 - 01:42:38:05
Daniel Franco
She's done. Yeah.

01:42:38:17 - 01:42:43:17
Catarina
Especially. Well one thing that's really annoying is that she takes a day off.

01:42:44:18 - 01:42:45:00
Daniel Franco
And.

01:42:47:19 - 01:42:49:05
Catarina
I ah she's like.

01:42:50:07 - 01:43:03:05
Daniel Franco
Yeah, that's the life of, of a business owner. Have you got anything funny about Mum? Is there anything that you can tell me that's really funny? She sleeps in the afternoon and 10 hours at night time as well. Wow. Do you sleep as much as she does?

01:43:03:19 - 01:43:08:07
Catarina
She sleeps like 5 hours more than. Well, she goes to bed earlier than us.

01:43:08:07 - 01:43:08:22
Daniel Franco
Does she really?

01:43:09:15 - 01:43:16:07
Catarina
That's what she was so tired. We were sort of like.

01:43:17:05 - 01:43:18:12
Daniel Franco
What's your favorite TV show?

01:43:19:16 - 01:43:21:23
Catarina
Well, I Nailed it

01:43:22:12 - 01:43:23:21
Daniel Franco
Hey, now, Nailed it

01:43:24:05 - 01:43:28:09
Catarina
Oh, yes. I like to try to create cakes, but they always tell us.

01:43:29:00 - 01:43:29:18
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

01:43:30:06 - 01:43:32:08
Catarina
Watch is it cake?

01:43:32:19 - 01:43:36:11
Daniel Franco
Oh, yeah. Is it kind of the food shows? What's your favorite movie?

01:43:37:02 - 01:43:37:13
Catarina
Harry Potter

01:43:37:19 - 01:43:43:04
Daniel Franco
Harry Potter. Which one? All of them. All of them. And you've read all the books as well.

01:43:43:15 - 01:43:45:11
Catarina
Reading one, the first.

01:43:45:11 - 01:43:51:16
Daniel Franco
You're reading the first book. My daughters are reading the first book at the moment as well. I love it, but I watch them all. Do you like the movies or the books better?

01:43:52:16 - 01:43:52:21
Catarina
Well.

01:43:53:11 - 01:43:54:24
Daniel Franco
The books are great.

01:43:54:24 - 01:43:58:04
Catarina
I'm saying books. Even if I. Oh, even if I.

01:43:58:12 - 01:44:03:10
Daniel Franco
I think as mum read you the book. Oh no, no. She's just reading is.

01:44:03:10 - 01:44:10:08
Catarina
The only reason that she likes the books better is because she can imagine what's happening. It's a.

01:44:11:06 - 01:44:17:11
Daniel Franco
I agree. Well, you can think about you get to understand what Harry was going through. Harry's head when he's going through it is so much better.

01:44:17:21 - 01:44:25:22
Catarina
First page is so interesting. I was like, she says, oh, time to go to bed. And she's like.

01:44:26:10 - 01:44:38:02
Daniel Franco
Why? Like why? Very good. So, you know, we're going to put this on the end of the podcast, of your mum's podcast on YouTube. So you guys are going to be YouTube stars. You know that, don't you? I mean, there are millions of followers.

01:44:38:06 - 01:44:38:15
Catarina
Yeah.

01:44:38:24 - 01:44:54:22
Daniel Franco
If mum. If Mum allows us. Yeah. So I should ask that first. Well, thank you so much for your time today. I thank you for being patient. While Mum was on the podcast. Thank you for joining us. I'm really happy to have met you. All right, guys. Thank you.

01:44:55:04 - 01:44:59:03
Daniel Franco
Thank you so much for your time today, Flavia. It's been

01:45:00:01 - 01:45:17:12
Daniel Franco
absolutely amazing. Thank you for being vulnerable and diving diving to some of your, you know, your past history and some of the depression stuff that you went through. And you continue to this day and to be honest, really excited. Well, I got you on because I believe that you are on track.

01:45:17:12 - 01:45:32:16
Daniel Franco
You and Matt are on track to creating this unicorn. I'm absolutely obsessed with the business. I've been following it for many years now. And so I'm I'm super chuffed that I'm sitting here in front of you and I'm super excited about what the future holds for you both and the team at FLeet and everything that you're going to create.

01:45:32:16 - 01:45:33:11
Daniel Franco
So kudos for that.

01:45:33:11 - 01:45:36:21
Flavia Tata Nardini
Thank you so much and thanks for having me had such a blast. That's great.

01:45:37:11 - 01:45:40:16
Daniel Franco
Excellent. Where can we find you if people want to get in contact with you.

01:45:42:00 - 01:45:49:11
Flavia Tata Nardini
LinkedIn is the best place. I'm always there and I leave you, contact me and get in touch with me on LinkedIn or follow me. Just be ready because I posta lot.

01:45:49:11 - 01:46:00:03
Daniel Franco
Brilliant and have a really great following too. So anyway, thank you again for your time. I really appreciate it. We'll catch up next time, guys. Cheers.