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Daniel Franco
Hi, everyone.

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Daniel Franco
And welcome to this very special episode of the Creating Synergy Podcast 100 episodes. Well, when we started this podcast back in March 2020, just as the pandemic was taking its groups in the world, I never could have imagined the impact they would have on myself, the team and the community. We decided to start the podcast in March 2020 as a way of being able to still connect with people when we were all being asked to work from home.

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Daniel Franco
We were inviting people to my house fto record each episode, and now, three years later, we find ourselves in this beautiful studio in the heart of Adelaide City. I would like to thank the tens of thousands of people who have listened in for all those who have subscribed and continue to support us week in and week out. Thank you to my team and synergy like you who have put up with me talking about the podcast every day and really trying to emulate my enthusiasm and special thanks to my business partner Michelle, who really backed the concept, and an extra special thank you to Gabrielle Levesque on Sell US our podcast manager.

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Daniel Franco
Without you, these 100 episodes would never have happened. Another big thanks goes to my wife, Laura, my two children all there and Ruby, who have put up with me freaking out every single week with the feeling of unpreparedness every night before we record a podcast. And lastly, I would like to thank everyone who I've had the privilege of interviewing on the show.

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Daniel Franco
I couldn't have dreamed of meeting some of you a few years ago, and now I'm lucky enough to call you all my friends. So that's enough about me. And onto the 100th episode, and for this very special episode, I had the opportunity to invite back for absolute superstars who had a major impact on me and the Creating Synergy community.

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Daniel Franco
So we invited back Claire Parkinson Number Episode 94. Claire, you're one of a kind. Your story of resilience and grit and your passion and zest for change is an absolute breath of fresh air. Louise Whole episode number 82. Louise You're absolutely amazing and you're changing the world and your episode on social Impact and the hard hitting truth about period Poverty in the world has absolutely changed my perspective forever.

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Daniel Franco
Keeping You. Andrew Nunn Episode 81 Your knowledge and your passion for business absolutely inspires me. Your experience in scaling business and what you're doing as the chief entrepreneur in South Australia should not go unnoticed. Kudos to you and Mick O’Rourke Episode 24. Mick, you're an absolute gentleman. Meeting you and recording the podcast with you had an absolute profound impact on me and the way that I lead in business and life.

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Daniel Franco
I can't wait to see what the next 100 episodes will bring. But for now, let's take a moment to celebrate how far we've come and the incredible journey that we've been on together. And listen to this great panel discussion with Clare Parkinson, Eloise Hall, Andrew Nunn and Mick O’Rourke So welcome back to the Creating Synergy Podcast. My name is Daniel Franco, your host.

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Daniel Franco
And today we've got a very, very special episode. Well, to me, anyway, this is our number 100th episode, and I have the privilege of inviting some previous guests back on the show who have all had a profound impact on me through the conversations that we've had, and I'll go through it quickly. So welcome to Mick. Thank you. Mick O'Rourke Your you were one of our very early episodes, Episode number 24.

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Daniel Franco
Like I said, it had a profound impact on me in the way I lead my life and my business. So thank you for that conversation.

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I'm honored.

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Daniel Franco
Eloise, you were episode where I was 82. We it was a pretty hard hitting chat that we had. You're obviously in the entrepreneurial world and trying to eradicate, period poverty in the world. And some of the stories that that you shared with us came with the trigger warning. So, yeah, it was it was an amazing chat and kudos to you and all the work that you and the team are doing.

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Daniel Franco
Clare Parkinson A story of resilience and grit, right? Like our chat was was one for the ages. I think it was one that had tears, it had laughter at everything. And I just wanted to say thank you for going vulnerable when we when we chatted last time. And your passion for loss is amazing. So thank you. Andrew What can I say about you and your experience in scaling Business is one that we've got so much comment on and feedback on and your your efforts in your life and the way you've grown your business and what you're doing now for South Australia's chief entrepreneurs should not go unnoticed.

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Daniel Franco
So thank.

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Daniel Franco
You. Thank you.

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Daniel Franco
So just to recap, Mick O’ Rourke, currently Chair of Newaygo, Eloise Hall who are Managing Director of Taboo Period Products. Clare Parkinson, Integration Executive at Oz Minerals and Andrew Nunn Chair of JBS and G and Chief Entrepreneur of South Australia. So welcome.

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Daniel Franco
Everyone. Thank you.

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Daniel Franco
I have never done a panel podcast before, so I'm just going to wing this and hope that we can just have a conversation as we go along. Yeah, very nervous . 100 podcast.

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Claire Parkinson
And yeah, I make 100 hundred podcast.

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Daniel Franco
What have I learned? It's interesting cause I have learned and I've had the privilege of speaking to some amazing human beings. Arkin. I think what I've noticed is that everyone's willing to give of their time and their experience. I think everyone's willing to share what they've learned, and then I want other people to learn from what they have.

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Daniel Franco
They're not out there beating the drums, saying, Look at me, I've learned this and I need to share it with the world. But they're they're so giving with their time and so eager to to share and help others grow is one thing that's really been quite nice.

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Andrew Nunn
It's an amazing database. Now it is 100 people and their stories and they're locked away. And from my perspective, I've started listening to them while on bike riding, mountain biking and it's been fantastic, absolutely fantastic, because you just get lost and you pick up gems from people in a way through the while you're exercising. So I take take.

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Andrew Nunn
But now it was and I think that's that's the best part of this is it's just a great database. Now 100 is a really worthwhile list of really interesting people and you've got their stories so well done to you.

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Daniel Franco
Yeah, it's about 100 mentors, right? Like, it's just it's phenomenal. So I'm so privileged and yeah, I just can't wait to see what the next hundred looks like. But, you know, I just want to say thank you to you guys as well. So thank you for that question write on. Thank you. I want to start off when I ask this question previously to, I guess, Police Commissioner Grant Stevens, South Australian Police Commissioner Grant Stevens.

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Daniel Franco
And it was one that I loved like I asked it because he was talking about his journeys, his life and growing up and um, and I just felt like I needed to ask this question today. So just if we can go around, we'll start with Mick. Just give us a little bit of a background about yourself and then one childhood memory that made you laugh.

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Okay, All I obviously from my accent, I wasn't born in South Australia, born in the US and, and I've been here 27 years now. I'm a citizen. You can't get rid of me. I guess you could, but I didn't want to leave. I'm so privileged to have had really two lives, but my early memories are obviously from the United States and my dad was a military officer, moved us everywhere and I don't have a lot of childhood memories.

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Mick O'Rourke
I don't know what that means. Throwing down. But I thought, what's one? It's that respond to that. So that question is probably when I had my paper route in New Jersey, and if you're ever lived in New Jersey, you're happy not to live there now. But it was cold and it was my I guess it was my first experience with something entrepreneurial going getting up early every morning.

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Mick O'Rourke
Sometimes when it's snowing, having to go door to door to collect money and to get new clients getting stiffed a few times. I, I only think about it now in hindsight that I actually like that. And I had money at the end of the day and it probably was formative for me. So I look at that fondly.

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Daniel Franco
Yeah. So yeah.

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Daniel Franco
Thank you.

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Eloise Hall
Quite a lot. So I've only been around 26 years. I feel like my whole I don't.

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Daniel Franco
Feel.

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Eloise Hall
Like I'm an adult yet.

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Daniel Franco
I don't ever.

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Eloise Hall
Want to feel like if I don't.

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Daniel Franco
Do that, what is that stuff?

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Eloise Hall
I grew up in Adelaide, born and bred. I lived in the same house for 18 is and I've been in like six since then. My dad's a car dealer, so I guess, and he owns his own yard. So I've always been around the conversations of running a business and, you know, having staff and all the rest. Mum's a teacher, she's a teach librarian, so that was always an emphasis on education and working really hard and just, yeah, no is a huge encouragement to learn.

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Eloise Hall
And my parents always took me into every kind of extracurricular thing possible just so they had the opportunity to learn what I loved, which I really appreciate in hindsight. Yeah, Mum really wanted to just give me the best shots. I did music and drama and art and all the different types of sports, water polo, life, anything I could, which is great.

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Eloise Hall
But I think like maybe earlier memories. Actually. Mum always tells me that when I was a baby, just before I could walk and just when I was kind of leaning on things, when a storm was breaking out, I would run up and crawl up to the window and then just lean on the window and laugh and let sleep.

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Daniel Franco
So it's scary putting.

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Eloise Hall
On a show for me. And I was like, Wow. And I would just laugh and jump up and down. And I think she was quite spooked.

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Daniel Franco
Yeah. Oh.

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Eloise Hall
What baby loves.

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Daniel Franco
Me.

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Eloise Hall
It's strange, but.

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Daniel Franco
Every other child's reaching for the covers.

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Eloise Hall
Yeah, I was running, rolling to the store and having a laugh.

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Daniel Franco
Thank you.

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Daniel Franco
Okay, well, I'm.

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Daniel Franco
Concerned about this.

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Daniel Franco
As.

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Claire Parkinson
An number for a story like.

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Daniel Franco
Right.

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Claire Parkinson
And I was thinking about it, and so I grew up in a what we used to call a concrete jungle. It was a a council estate a few hundred houses might 5000, I actually don't know. And we used to, you know, howl around the streets. It was largely safe. It was pretty cool. It's normal in my world. We'd heard around the streets and, you know, play largely legal games as children.

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Claire Parkinson
And I remember we used to run around in the dark, particularly down the side of the house where I lived in Parkside, in Haverhill, and the villa like a little alleyway, and you'd run down there in the dark and you'd always kick something with your foot. You wasn't quite sure what it was. It wasn't a body, thankfully, not in those days anyway.

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Claire Parkinson
And in the in the next morning you wake up, you be covered in white dust. And I wonder what that was. So we kind of the next day we turned, you know, player turned investigatory, as you did, and we went hunting to find out what these works. We knew they weren't pine cones because there were no trees in this concrete jungle, obviously.

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Claire Parkinson
And we found these white things on the floor. They were like little tiny cones full of trees. And I was like, Oh, what's that? How very helpful. We can use these to chalk on our concrete jungle and do hopscotch and stuff. Harmless stuff. And we did. We used them. They didn't last very long. They they went down. So I was like a, a soft rubbish version of a chore.

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Claire Parkinson
And we used them. It was only about maybe maybe adulthood. Maybe 30 years later, I realized it was actually dog poo.

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Daniel Franco
Oh.

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Claire Parkinson
And, you know, it was like in those days we didn't see dogs where we fight the biscuit.

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Daniel Franco
Yeah, I don't know why. Yes.

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Claire Parkinson
And we were talking for years and nobody, nobody ever knew. And I was like, I think, you know, at a very early age I thought differently. And when they say, you know, one, one life throws you lemons, make lemonade, go one life throws you dog.

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Daniel Franco
Oh I got I got the first recycler. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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Claire Parkinson
I have no idea. My hands haven't got here.

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Daniel Franco
Yes.

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Claire Parkinson
I survive.

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Daniel Franco
Oh, good.

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Claire Parkinson
Yes.

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Daniel Franco
Yeah, right. Yeah.

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Daniel Franco
It's like the yellow snow story that you told me. Don't drink yellow snow.

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Daniel Franco
That's a rule.

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Andrew Nunn
That I think.

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Daniel Franco
Guideline. It's absolutely true. Thanks to.

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Andrew Nunn
Me, I don't have I'm lucky I don't have a huge amount of child. I'm one of five boys. Number four. But I guess one memory that really sticks out is I was I was four years old. We used to go down to the beach two weeks a year that was that was summer holidays. So that was that was it.

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Andrew Nunn
We always go the same place and rent a house, I think two weeks and that'd come down on weekends. And so I think Dad came down, we had Mum had a few people over, you know, grab all these kids and get, get back for lunch. And she said, Don't forget Andrew on the beach. Yeah. Anyway, sure. And there's keg and everything else and forgets Main lays me on the beach so and so and I'm four

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Andrew Nunn
I'm four years old and the beach is packed and I can still remember it. And mama hugged me telling the story. So they just left me on the beach and everyone on Humberside were having lunch. And then Mum finally said.

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Daniel Franco
Oh, where’s Andrew. Oh.

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Andrew Nunn
That's it. I thought you. Anyway, so he writes down. But I remember when I was on the beach, so I came back after having a swim with the swim and, and I thought look cope with the go and, but we had a little boat in those days so I had the peace of mind. I was a bit stressed initially and then I had the peace of mind get well, they're not going to leave the boat.

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Andrew Nunn
So I went and I sat in the boat, Oh, at four crying. And then my dad finally came back and found me. And then he was great. He bought me holiday stuff on the way back. But I thought, but this story is still in my head. It's unbelievable. But but I can still remember thinking they won't leave the boat, so I'll go and sit in the back.

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Andrew Nunn
Yeah, but it was made fault. Yeah, four years old. But that's a bit my only memory, Maggie. I stop thinking.

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Daniel Franco
Oh yeah.

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Claire Parkinson
Money in therapy. Is it?

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Daniel Franco
Like, I think I'm okay with that.

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Andrew Nunn
It's now it's actually. It was really funny that I couldn't.

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Daniel Franco
See your arm twitching.

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Daniel Franco
It was. But it was such.

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Andrew Nunn
It was such an interesting experience because, you know, when you have five boys and they're all blondies and you just. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, so that's my story.

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Daniel Franco
That's a great story. Thank you everyone for sharing. So this is a business podcast, so we probably should talk a little bit about business. Well, I think like what's really interesting to me is we've got like such a various and diverse group and naturally we have a mixed mix. The token baby boomer.

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Daniel Franco
It's so we.

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Claire Parkinson
We really I mean.

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Daniel Franco
You're nearly so we have got me so we've got to pick the panel on the basis of having some diverse thought around around the average. So ageism here and I still Eloise definitely fools the gap for the what do we say? Yesterday, So I remember.

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Eloise Hall
Those days.

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Daniel Franco
And.

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Daniel Franco
I.

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Daniel Franco
Know.

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Daniel Franco
Gen Z not we might be Gen Z, I'm Gen Y and you both are in that way.

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Daniel Franco
X says, Yeah, go back to.

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Daniel Franco
I'll let you claim that one.

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Daniel Franco
Yeah.

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Daniel Franco
So obviously with all your experience around around the table, I'm just actually interested in what you think right now is a really exciting trend or something that actually concerns you in the world of business right now.

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Daniel Franco
Mm hmm.

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Andrew Nunn
Interesting point.

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Well, I you know, this chat, um, one of the three letters that you had CBT.

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Daniel Franco
Yeah.

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That's come out. They've been talking about it for a long time. How A.I. and robots would replace half the job. But it always seemed like it was very far away. And there was some of the people at Novago playing with it. Right. Let's ask it to do a proposal on managed service. Give us the five best points and just put that in there.

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And this thing came out really good and so and I understand they're already superior to GP's, so superior to robots are superior to pharmacists in dispensing computers are better than GP's at diagnosing. And you could go on and on the list and maybe it's here. So that's both an opportunity, but it's a little concerning from an employment standpoint perhaps.

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Daniel Franco
So especially when you put ten years of effort into study to become general practitioner only for a computer to take away like it's a scary thought.

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They do and they do a better job because they don't think they can accelerate millions of of data points. I guess it's been happening for a while in radiology. You know, you get an x ray or whatever MRI that's shipped off to somewhere else. And before it was experts in another country looking at it. Now it's computers. And so it takes a long time to become a good radiologist and you could go through all them.

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I once talked to a bunch of accountants. I can't remember what the occasion was, but the biggest concern was job obsolescence and and so that's why they all get it now. They all tag on to, you know, business advice is advisory is tagged on to everybody who's a professional because they're afraid of the the nuts and bolts of what they do is going to be automated.

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Daniel Franco
Yeah.

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Andrew Nunn
Vanishing point. I'm talking to my son this morning before I came here and he asked me some question about in, in our my molecules and stuff and I said that things Yeah. And he said I put it in chat GPT.

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Daniel Franco
Yeah, that's going to come.

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Andrew Nunn
Out. And then he asked another question on the same issues. I didn't have to go back and it said, look, apologies for not being clear. And then wrote another thing. It's like, unbelievable. Yeah, I agree with you. I think it's here where we go with it is really you've got to grab it and run it because AI and this will go through everything with it.

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Daniel Franco
So yeah.

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Andrew Nunn
And I need to do it in a way.

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Daniel Franco
That's nine, nine year old and 11 year old daughters. We go on chat GPT today and we said, Write us a children's book, 600 Word children's book on a zebra and an elephant who went on a journey. Whatever I write, just put in like some scenario, spat out this thing and this story was phenomenal. If someone didn't put time and effort into this children's book, then there's other IOI that goes with techy beauty where you grab the book and you put it into this.

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Daniel Franco
It turns the story into pictures so you can get AI to animate the story and then put it out in the world like you can almost there's, you can almost just create a business and children's book overnight. It's pretty crazy and it's scary and exciting, I suppose. But what the feed for me with this is, is there's going to be a lot of novice experts out there.

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Daniel Franco
I think that's the one thing that really scares me the most.

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Andrew Nunn
But it's innovation. It's just it's the front end of it and that's what it looks like and it looks different, it looks scary. And we go to my version, we we run at it, grab it and then get the next one because the jobs that we can see now, it is.

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What it.

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Andrew Nunn
Is, what it isn't. And we'll find new jobs and we'll do new things. Then we'll push new boundaries. And I think that's the way we need to we need to look at these things.

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Claire Parkinson
I think for us as humans survive in the world that is now here is we have to work out how we play and interface with it, because if we don't from a consulting perspective, we've become extinct. Then if we don't adapt, we can't compete with it clearly, but we have to adapt and work with it because it's here and it's going to keep growing and it's going to mature.

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Claire Parkinson
It's not going away, it's getting bigger.

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Eloise Hall
Yeah, it's a scary concept to then envision us as humans and how we adapt. Like, you know what? What more is that? We don't know. The jobs that we don't know will come. But you know, how how is that going to fit to our life in that we need to find purpose and we need to wake up every day.

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Eloise Hall
I remember when I was little self-service checkout, so starting to be a thing and Mum's freaked out about it since she was really upset that all these people's checkout jobs were just gone. Because we can do it ourselves. And so I feel like maybe young people have this. Of course, it's a tool that we add to our toolbox, but I think there's also that caution of maybe not trusting that it is the best thing that grown up with these horror movies that, you know, pull on the the characters of the evil robots that then take over the world.

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Eloise Hall
Like, I think there is this caution and perhaps there's also maybe less of less of a gratitude to, I guess, effectiveness and lack of the reasons why other people might really believe and be excited by AI think young people are kind of like, Yeah, but we need to do things quicker. Do we need to actually get there? Is this actually going to help us?

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Eloise Hall
Do we need to be that efficient? Do we need to be? Yeah, just doing things at that kind of scale. I mean, I personally just don't think that's necessary for the advancement of humankind and our happiness. You know, if it's going to really be that helpful.

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I would have thought just the opposite from a young person. Everything's got to be available on your phone or order book now or done by technology, which is sad to me because that person you knew at the grocery store was a human that you could interact with One We still went to the grocery store, which you don't have to do now.

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You can have it delivered. And so we all can work from home but never have to interact physically with another human. And to me that's a very sad state of affairs. But that's why you invited a baby boomer.

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Daniel Franco
Around and you.

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And so my I'm surprised to hear that.

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Daniel Franco
Yeah.

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Because in the end, I believe the richness of life is in relationship. It isn't in how well you got you to do this. And and and a lot of this is going away from that.

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Eloise Hall
Yeah. And I think because we are digital natives, we can see that I think there's maybe lacking maybe these three gen you guys in that generation block it's like you've got the relationships from when you were young and now you've seen the advancement. It's still exciting, whereas we were born into that advancement. And when we look at even just, you know, mental health statistics, people, my age aren't too happy.

00:24:04:20 - 00:24:20:07
Eloise Hall
So I think there is that desperate like, well, what's going on here? It's because we don't have that. And this isn't a relationship and this technology is replacing that, that I think my generation and maybe even people younger than me are recognizing that it's not actually that helpful. And maybe there is, you know, more to it.

00:24:20:16 - 00:24:21:18
Daniel Franco
Mm hmm.

00:24:22:09 - 00:24:35:07
Andrew Nunn
I think in concept that the speed at which things happen and I guess arguably things happen quickly gives you more time to do other things, the relationship thing and what not. But it's tends to be you just add more into the day.

00:24:35:12 - 00:24:46:20
Eloise Hall
Yeah. So and what type of things is it give you time to do? You know, if you if you don't have a job because of that technology, then what are you going to do with your day? It's like you still need a car. Yeah.

00:24:46:20 - 00:24:55:07
Daniel Franco
Which is a lower and you want longer lives.

00:24:55:15 - 00:24:56:14
Daniel Franco
And do you think.

00:24:57:02 - 00:24:59:19

It's because of the Chinese, right? Yeah. It's not because I can't.

00:24:59:19 - 00:25:11:12
Daniel Franco
That's is that, is that the only trend that in the world that we're seeing right now like clear or otherwise. Is there anything else outside of the air that you.

00:25:11:12 - 00:25:39:13
Claire Parkinson
I think I think it's actually a little bit linked to IOI is the whole phenomena of working from home. The whole COVID has completely shifted the way humans interact with their work world over. And on here, we had a discussion about it this morning. I hear lots of debate about you know, whether or not it's affecting productivity. To your point about relationships working from home, the relationships do suffer as an introvert.

00:25:40:04 - 00:26:03:12
Claire Parkinson
But yeah, as an extrovert, a lot. I mean, it rock music, if I just survive the day, I'm okay now. But at the time I wasn't clearly. But I think I think that businesses are grappling with that is is it good? Is it bad? Was it the lack of COVID that gave us our most productive year or otherwise?

00:26:03:18 - 00:26:25:15
Claire Parkinson
Was it because people were working from home and they were happy at home and more invested? And we haven't got the numbers on that yet. You know, the world doesn't actually know the outcome of whether it's good or bad, but listening to different businesses, taking different approaches to that for me is quite fascinating. I largely work from home and I think if you have the right people in your business, that model will work.

00:26:26:11 - 00:26:39:11
Claire Parkinson
If you're if you're somebody who can work hard at home, there is somebody who can work hard in the office, I believe. But I also acknowledge it's not for everyone. You know, some people die slowly working at home. I did for the first year. Yeah.

00:26:40:00 - 00:26:41:16
Daniel Franco
Casual, full time at home.

00:26:41:16 - 00:26:42:21
Daniel Franco
Now, largely.

00:26:43:04 - 00:27:02:19
Claire Parkinson
I mean, yeah, of course we've got an office, but, you know, we don't force anybody to go into the office. Obviously, we have frontline staff, although one of our aspirations is to become more autonomous, to keep our people safe, because that's the only way you can keep people safe, is take them out of the firing line, which. But yeah, no, I'm largely working from home.

00:27:03:22 - 00:27:17:16
Daniel Franco
So from a like you are into property. Andrew And then a little bit in your time. Yeah, I'm a property and commercial property point of view. Is that scary when some one of the biggest companies here in South Australia just decided we don't really care where you would.

00:27:18:21 - 00:27:19:03
Daniel Franco
Look.

00:27:19:11 - 00:27:40:20
Andrew Nunn
Again, it's the way things are going. Yeah, it's the way things are. It doesn't mean that office buildings might be needed to be smaller or different, although Ecolab, Spices or some tech will come in. I, I'll look I just think there's there'll be more and more people getting involved being in offices, whether they stay there long term, whether they work there all the time.

00:27:40:20 - 00:27:59:23
Andrew Nunn
I don't think so. But I think people need to interact. I think people need to talk. Yeah. And, you know, we had in our business the engineering business, we had everyone clearly working from home when COVID hit, but we'd be back 90. I said 98, 99% of staff would be back. And that's what they thought.

00:27:59:24 - 00:28:01:15
Daniel Franco
Oh, yeah, Wow. Pretty much.

00:28:03:00 - 00:28:23:05
Andrew Nunn
Again. So we have a full range, so we have lots of young, young juniors and middle levels and seniors. Right. And, and so that that mentoring and whatnot is really important people when they add on sites. Yes. From a safety point of view. So and just bouncing information off. Yeah it's just physically you have a if you call up to make a call about something, that's fine.

00:28:23:13 - 00:28:41:09
Andrew Nunn
But it's often the random discussions you're having, you know, the mobile phone in the other discussions I think is really important and you miss that bit. So look, I think if anyone really, really needs to work from home, then we completely work with that. But as a general rule, we like people so we can work with them.

00:28:41:09 - 00:28:42:09
Daniel Franco
So yeah, but.

00:28:42:09 - 00:28:44:16
Andrew Nunn
Yeah, as you say, whatever works for each business.

00:28:45:21 - 00:29:17:10

I think the bigger organizations, they're saying working from home, it's great government, mining, I think the start of the smaller ones where I don't know the culture, it becomes such an integral part and the interaction face to face, they suffer from everybody being at home. Yeah. Because their point of difference, their ability to innovate. The reason that people go to work there are all taken away.

00:29:17:10 - 00:29:40:01

When you put them on the couch, then your job on the couch. It's got the same culture as every job, more or less. Not exactly. And so it's a big loss for companies that thrive on cultures, interaction, bouncing ideas and that sort of thing. I think it's really damaged them.

00:29:40:06 - 00:29:41:13
Daniel Franco
And I think.

00:29:41:13 - 00:29:53:01
Andrew Nunn
That's a really good point. The innovation bit, you know, we could do this differently. We should talk about that, you know, sort of not random but relatively random discussions that happen when you're just talking about things or.

00:29:53:01 - 00:29:56:10
Daniel Franco
You hear someone on the phone say something and you go, hang on.

00:29:56:11 - 00:29:56:19
Daniel Franco
Like.

00:29:58:00 - 00:30:12:12
Andrew Nunn
That culture. It's a really good point. The culture point is a really good point because I think businesses need culture, right? And and what are they saying? Culture eats strategy for breakfast. And I think that's certainly startups.

00:30:12:12 - 00:30:19:05

What do they have? They haven't been in business. They don't have any money. It's just people getting around it. And you've been part of that.

00:30:19:14 - 00:30:21:21
Andrew Nunn
Who believe in a direction and believe in what they're doing.

00:30:22:15 - 00:30:23:07
Claire Parkinson
Yeah, I.

00:30:23:07 - 00:30:27:20
Eloise Hall
Don't none of my staff of one of our staff actually has always worked.

00:30:27:20 - 00:30:28:04
Daniel Franco
remote.

00:30:29:12 - 00:30:50:10
Eloise Hall
But yeah, it is because you need those conversations. And even though she's worked remote, there is a daily catch up just because you need someone to talk to, especially when you're making things up. Like you can't do that alone. Yeah, you end up in weird spaces. Yeah. And I guess to the question of property kind of leads into the question of just economic design in general.

00:30:51:00 - 00:31:12:12
Eloise Hall
I've had, I guess Adelaide specifically been discussed as like an egg yolk when you consider the fact that the city is the yolk and then there's the suburbs around it. That's just how the city is designed quite well. But that the fact that people aren't really coming in to the city to go to work has changed the whole spread of economics.

00:31:13:04 - 00:31:34:00
Eloise Hall
You know, I lunch in the city, you're not going to have a knock off after work. There's this huge evacuation that has been spread to the suburbs. Is that staying or is that going back? You know, yeah. How do we navigate that moving forward? There's still probably the structure of an egg. But you know what? Where do we need to prioritize the investment going forward?

00:31:34:00 - 00:31:56:03
Eloise Hall
Do we need to consider what we're doing with these buildings that are kind of aging? There's a cool discussion about, you know, if we can transform them into residential properties, kind of the old commercial stock in the city, it's really fascinating concept of like, okay, well, if we're first spreading our lifestyle and our work across suburbs and city now, what does that look like?

00:31:56:03 - 00:31:58:08
Eloise Hall
Yeah, there's not that typical.

00:31:58:17 - 00:32:17:14
Andrew Nunn
And Adelaide is interesting because that allows a little bit late to the party for having, you know, people living in the cities. It's now really starting to move. But, but has Melbourne and Sydney been doing for years. And so it's a really it's gonna be really intrinsic how our city goes with that. And growing up you can see all the details going up now, the number of residential ones.

00:32:17:14 - 00:32:36:14
Andrew Nunn
So look, I think, I think again, everything evolves. It'll be a different vibe in the city. I think, you know, the, the biggest problem they've got though is that the suburbs around us. So they just it's such a well-designed city. You get really good suburbs, right. You know, with big box of land, you're living 5 minutes from the city.

00:32:36:14 - 00:32:38:20
Andrew Nunn
It's an amazing city, really. It's true.

00:32:38:20 - 00:32:39:01
Daniel Franco
It is.

00:32:40:01 - 00:32:45:03
Andrew Nunn
But yes, that's right.

00:32:45:03 - 00:33:06:13
Daniel Franco
Do you think, in regards to I think and we talked about culture, there's a fair bit of change and everything that we need to navigate our way through that over the years. I want to talk back on the culture piece a little bit. And Claire, you actually sent me an article yesterday, which I thought was really interesting. So look at sort of the start of this podcast.

00:33:06:14 - 00:33:44:18
Daniel Franco
You run a consulting firm. We work with companies in change, complex change, culture, leadership, all that space, you know, all things mergers, acquisitions, digital transformation, the whole piece. And within that we work with a human that works within the business, right? Like that's where we feel we specialize in. And the article that you sent me yesterday, which was a Harvard Business Review article, says 75% of executives said the biggest drain on their resilience, on their own personal resilience was managing different difficult people and office politics.

00:33:44:18 - 00:34:07:02
Daniel Franco
I'm really interested in understanding if you guys agree with this statement or disagree, and if you. Yeah, what what advice could you give? If you do agree, what advice would you give to leaders listening in right now about how they might be, how to ease that pain? Because to me, that's one of the that's because people are one of the biggest trends right now.

00:34:07:03 - 00:34:24:09
Daniel Franco
You know, the skillset shortage, the trying to attract talent, that whole piece. And if we're attracting these talent and yet struggling to manage them, to me that's an area in which I believe everyone has a pretty good opinion on that. Yeah, Yeah. Just changing your thoughts on that.

00:34:24:24 - 00:34:52:20
Claire Parkinson
Yeah. I mean I am I have managed tens of thousands of people in my career and it would always be the one person who, you know, wasn't performing or was on sickness management or actually had some personal circumstances that meant they were unable to perform to the level that was required. And, you know, I think it's really hard to get away from the human.

00:34:53:07 - 00:35:17:13
Claire Parkinson
And actually, I think that's why it's so hard. It's not a process. It's a person and a person that you're applying a process to and that conflicts I think with every human bone in any good person's body that actually, you know, you're applying a document, a three stage process to a human who has a partner or children or a terminal illness or whatever it is.

00:35:17:22 - 00:35:51:13
Claire Parkinson
And if that wasn't hard, you would be the wrong person to be the leader. I don't think there's any way for it not to be hard. I think that that's our makeup where we we're I think essentially good humans are born essentially good. Obviously, there's some exceptions to that. But I think. Yeah, yes, yeah, absolutely. Human office politics, the same office politics you can't control, you can't see, you can't smell it sometimes hear it, you know it's there.

00:35:51:13 - 00:36:05:01
Claire Parkinson
And again, it's it's an emotive response for us, which makes it hard. It's not a process, it's psychological. And yeah, so I tend to agree, but I spent a lot of years in government and.

00:36:05:09 - 00:36:06:07
Daniel Franco
It resulted in a.

00:36:07:04 - 00:36:11:17
Claire Parkinson
Lot of politics and a lot of people that have. There's a lot of people.

00:36:11:24 - 00:36:12:19
Daniel Franco
Yeah, yeah.

00:36:13:08 - 00:36:38:07
Eloise Hall
And I'm unsurprised by the statistics, but I can't relate. I've always had a very small team and I think because the work we do is embedded in a social purpose and a community purpose, there is a common ground of persistence. I guess the reason that we all work up to work is the same. So that's the most valuable thing ever.

00:36:38:07 - 00:37:03:13
Eloise Hall
And I think because our work isn't necessarily about ourselves, there is that external focus on supporting other people. There is that. Yeah, I guess uniting cause and reason to be there and also to make the workplace like everyone has to chip in to, to build a healthy culture. And yeah, there's, there's that commitment to our work which I'm so thankful for.

00:37:03:14 - 00:37:09:22
Eloise Hall
That kind of brings us all to the same conversation of like, of course we're going to make this enjoyable.

00:37:09:22 - 00:37:12:12
Daniel Franco
So do you think I'm keen to hear your thoughts because you're nodding?

00:37:13:20 - 00:38:01:07

Well, I think how wonderful it is to start companies and know all dozen people and their kids name and have time for them. And having been in that, that's the that's the stage of the company I love the most. Yes, the but I agree with personally, it's my experience or the HPR article that it's just soul crushing to have people who who you have to manage that you think are actually malicious or only think about themselves, don't think about their coworkers, or to have genuine stress that you have to take on because it's somehow, as in, you know, infected in the business.

00:38:01:17 - 00:38:19:11

It's when what you want to work on is how do we make this thing rock? You know what's going on with you guys? All these are things that really charge you in life know, yet you can avoid them when you run a company, they come up to you, so you have to address them. But I know so many people in, like, exactly the same thing.

00:38:20:05 - 00:38:42:23

I guess I'm too going on stress or stress work cover whatever the get out of jail free card is, you know, cynically what a lot of them refer to it as. I mean, I will tell you that. But yeah, so it is and it just it's very corrosive for them. They don't get to spend the time on that kind of things.

00:38:42:24 - 00:38:43:21

I've always talked about.

00:38:45:01 - 00:39:15:05
Daniel Franco
The just hearing both of your points do you think and to Andrew's point and everyone's point before was culture. Do you think that in an early stage start up where culture and purpose is so powerful, how do large organizations harness the purpose within their within their organization so that people can gravitate towards as opposed to just remember, we did some work with a South Australian utility here that specializes in water?

00:39:15:05 - 00:39:15:18
Daniel Franco
I won't say.

00:39:15:18 - 00:39:18:21
Daniel Franco
the name, but

00:39:19:10 - 00:39:47:16
Daniel Franco
But the the purpose for them, if you actually strip away their health organization. Right. They keep people safe by providing them safe drinking water at any given point, that water can be infiltrated and, you know, kill the state then not to mention the disease that they're stopping from the sewerage. Right. So it's actually health. And so when you when you work with a company like that and you and you can show them.

00:39:47:16 - 00:39:48:21
Daniel Franco
Hey, look, we're actually.

00:39:49:06 - 00:40:11:15
Daniel Franco
Keeping this community safe and alive, there's some purpose that people can gravitate towards. Do you think organizations in them, you know, look at you clear from an old saying, oh, they're a bit different. They're they're special special kettle there. But is that how do we really get out large organizations back on that purpose Train Well.

00:40:12:00 - 00:40:33:03
Andrew Nunn
It's an interesting one. I suspect it's a bit like Eloise, once everybody is motivated in the same way or there's an alignment of interests or alignment of purpose, it's so much easier. So maybe it's smaller groups doing an alignment of purpose. Even in a big organization, if you've got a smaller group heading in each directions overall, heading in the same direction of the company.

00:40:33:03 - 00:40:53:22
Andrew Nunn
But you know, to be part of a massive wheel is difficult. So it's nice to be seen. It's nice to be part of a vision of a group. And so, yeah, there's there's studies that suggest that sort of 12 to 15 is a good size group. Yeah. And it's, it's sort of the first stage and scale up 0 to 15 is a really it's a nice vibe, it's a nice feel.

00:40:53:22 - 00:41:15:02
Andrew Nunn
You know it everyone's doing, you know, where everyone is, what the kids are and all that sort of stuff, right? So and that's a great stage, but if you're going to grow a company, then you've got to go again and again. And, and the nature of the business and the systems change each time. And so I just think it would be really clear if you can keep it small and tight and have everyone aligned in purpose, that's the best way, I think, to keep it culture and.

00:41:15:09 - 00:41:18:06
Daniel Franco
Each team should have their own power. Yeah, I think so. I launched the.

00:41:19:00 - 00:41:20:04
Daniel Franco
Sales strategy here.

00:41:21:01 - 00:41:44:22
Claire Parkinson
We, we, we I mean it's it's it's known world over the board one where there are companies that have a board own purpose. And I think all too often you see many companies hiring consulting firms to come in and help create a purpose and the board and the executive team create that. I think that's a it looks great.

00:41:44:22 - 00:42:09:24
Claire Parkinson
It's great for marketing, looks great on the annual reports, but actually it's a short sighted purpose. The purpose comes from within and the people that work within build the purpose on what their purpose is to own it. Because without these people walking the same purpose and working towards the same Northern Star, it's it's just a marketing ploy and that's how we've done it.

00:42:10:00 - 00:42:11:24
Claire Parkinson
You know, our purpose was built by our people.

00:42:11:24 - 00:42:12:09
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

00:42:13:08 - 00:42:13:20
Claire Parkinson
simple as that.

00:42:14:15 - 00:42:32:11
Daniel Franco
Is it. It's the lack of connection to the front line is the people who are dealing with the community every day. You know, you can sit in the in the seat on the board having no connection with the end user and that's where the lack of alignment is and 100% agree with you.

00:42:32:21 - 00:42:50:19
Eloise Hall
I also think the purpose comes back to pride. Like we all want to feel proud of what we're contributing to. And if we have this very ambiguous job description that kind of contributes to some businesses money making, but we don't really know what it contributing, then there is that disconnection of like, Well, what am I actually doing lying and waking up every day?

00:42:50:19 - 00:43:15:21
Eloise Hall
Like, am I, am I contributing to my community? So I think that's such a gorgeous vision with that. What a utility company and actually understanding like, actually you're my job is really important. Even if I have an administrative role in this business, my administration and contribution is actually keeping people safe. And that could be a hard string for people to draw unless you actually paint the whole.

00:43:16:03 - 00:43:16:19
Daniel Franco
You you.

00:43:16:19 - 00:43:18:19
Daniel Franco
Are an important cog in this very big machine.

00:43:19:09 - 00:43:43:06
Eloise Hall
And I think that applies to every kind of job. Like even a friend of mine, he did dishy work for a long time and he would call himself a ceramic technician, an underwater ceramic technician. I mean, just say either you have somewhat of an understanding that without you, this restaurant wouldn't work. And of course, you know, that might be a more entertaining string to draw to,

00:43:43:06 - 00:43:56:00
Eloise Hall
But you just say, yeah, there is there is some there is pride in every role. It's just we need to have this collaborative almost. Yeah. Agreement that we give people the pride that they deserve in the work that they're doing because.

00:43:56:07 - 00:44:05:07
Claire Parkinson
And he keeps people safe too. Absolutely. Whatever. 60 degrees or whatever it is. Yeah. They keep people safe. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

00:44:05:13 - 00:44:22:19
Andrew Nunn
Interesting that concept though, of, you know, the comment about office politics and how that works in in the work from home. Well, I don't I don't know I've never seen much in the way of stats on their businesses at work like there's office politics disappear or does it just go differently.

00:44:22:20 - 00:44:23:19
Claire Parkinson
It goes differently.

00:44:23:22 - 00:44:24:23
Andrew Nunn
Probably happens because.

00:44:25:05 - 00:44:42:15
Claire Parkinson
You become your own when you're at home. It's a bit like prisoners, we call it institutionalized. You actually become your own judge and your own jury and you kind of go a little bit stir crazy. If you locked in a cell for 23 hours a day, you have to pretty solid human to not go on or go completely nuts.

00:44:42:24 - 00:45:00:21
Claire Parkinson
So when you're at home, you have a kind of a a slither of isolation fever and you kind of start judging and questioning and everything, you become supersensitive. Yes. So I suspect in 20 years from now, we'll all be crazy working from home.

00:45:01:15 - 00:45:04:20
Daniel Franco
20 years isn't

00:45:05:05 - 00:45:13:09
Claire Parkinson
We sat there rocking my desk, going, I was working from home. It was COVID. Yeah. So, yeah, you're right.

00:45:13:09 - 00:45:13:17
Andrew Nunn
I don't know.

00:45:13:17 - 00:45:15:08
Daniel Franco
I sort of It's politics.

00:45:15:08 - 00:45:22:08
Claire Parkinson
It's just politics. It just changes. I don't think it just takes on a new form, like a virus. It just. It just evolves.

00:45:22:08 - 00:45:23:12
Daniel Franco
Yeah. Yeah.

00:45:24:04 - 00:45:27:11
Daniel Franco
My gut feel that says that the hybrid way is the way.

00:45:27:20 - 00:45:28:05
Claire Parkinson
Yeah.

00:45:28:16 - 00:45:43:22
Daniel Franco
That's kind of, you know, you took it about in five years time, 20 years time going crazy. There's got to be an element of the human being going, I actually need human interaction. Isn't that into existence that this community feel is is.

00:45:43:23 - 00:45:44:07
Daniel Franco
I'll see.

00:45:44:07 - 00:45:45:20
Claire Parkinson
The Oh, server sides come out.

00:45:45:20 - 00:45:49:16
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

00:45:49:16 - 00:46:07:13
Daniel Franco
Is that should that be a duty of care of the business to think that way? So yeah, absolutely. You can work from home five days a week, work from home, do whatever you want, you know, at all hours, I don’t care, just get these outcomes done. But then you're actually depriving that human interaction with others. Yeah.

00:46:07:17 - 00:46:08:01
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

00:46:08:07 - 00:46:12:08
Daniel Franco
Is that a duty of care that businesses should think about? Almost on the other extreme.

00:46:12:19 - 00:46:32:04
Claire Parkinson
It's one we think about. Yeah, yeah, we absolutely think about it. We check in probably more one on one check-ins as leaders with our people than we did in the office. We you know, wouldn't see people for days. And now you're constantly you see like the little green light come up like oh, they're available, boom hey, how are you going.

00:46:32:04 - 00:46:57:00
Claire Parkinson
Yeah it's it's, it's, it's more of a it's less of a planned face to face, one on one and more of a spontaneous how you going kind of chat and but then we were big organization so it's it's not like we've got an office where everybody's in it you know we're dispersed around the world so this actually helps us interact more than it would ordinarily.

00:46:57:00 - 00:47:21:01

It's the old concept of management. By walking about, of management, by walking around. You might not even heard of it, but definitely it's to me it was the most important thing I would do in the day. I wouldn't put my stuff down on my desk and walk around and read the company, re go into the warehouse, look at everybody, just look at their body language, how they're feeling.

00:47:21:01 - 00:47:44:11

Stop and talk to somebody. I got a lot of energy from that. I didn't do it because somebody said you should. But an important part of that, again, was was staying close to the people and the company. And of course, working from home doesn't mean that. To your question, again, I think it comes down to every leadership thing I've ever seen said the most important thing you can do is vision, you know?

00:47:44:11 - 00:48:00:15

And I thought as much a crowd when I first read it, but I understand it so much now. It's just another word for purposes. It's another word for why do you get up in the morning? Small companies. You understand that. You understand if you won't be there, the company has got a problem.

00:48:00:15 - 00:48:00:24
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

00:48:01:05 - 00:48:37:12

Having worked at Exxon and Hewlett-Packard and some big organizations where I was employee number 45724, you don't necessarily feel that and big companies and and so it's the job of the leader to create that purpose or whatever it is. The ten year old Ted Talk by Simon Sinek, start with why it's another word for purpose. And those companies that are successful understand that every manager and every person needs to remind their people that they have a purpose in life.

00:48:37:19 - 00:48:50:22

You know why you're important to this company? Let me tell you why if you've forgotten. So I think it a lesson for us and how that plunges in with working from home. We just figure out, I guess, how to do that.

00:48:50:22 - 00:49:13:06
Daniel Franco
Just to your point on management by walking around, I love that. I you know, as we've worked with hundreds of different companies in that and one of the most common things that I would hear is like from from other people within the business, so much the leaders. But the people talking about the leaders is they don't even say hello.

00:49:14:04 - 00:49:37:12
Daniel Franco
Right. Like it's this the most smallest things is what makes a culture right. And I think when we're all when we're walking around and we're sharing and we're caring, I remember even just working, you know, very large organization, you know, 2000 people, it was the first week or two weeks that I was there and the general manager knew me by name.

00:49:37:17 - 00:50:00:11
Daniel Franco
Numerous came from I'd never even met this person. And he went, Then how are you? You know, you've come from. Yeah, Great to see. Great to have you on board. This is amazing. Like this is the Hagrid exists so the smallest things make impacting people's lives and I'm just concerned you can't do that by Zoom. Now you can you can call them up but is it I don't know if it's the same or I'm.

00:50:00:12 - 00:50:03:03
Daniel Franco
I'm with you. I'm just this in in person.

00:50:03:22 - 00:50:19:11
Eloise Hall
On the receiving end that you think, oh, whatever. They've got my résumé in front of them on the screen next to this whole like, you know, this isn't that personal because you could just be reading this like, this is a script. I don't know that you care there isn't that. Yeah. There's nothing that so much in between. You all right?

00:50:19:11 - 00:50:25:07
Eloise Hall
But if you're having a face to face discussion, it is just, you, that person, that knowledge, their interest.

00:50:25:08 - 00:50:25:16
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

00:50:25:23 - 00:50:28:10
Daniel Franco
On an email, this was in the men's toilets. He was.

00:50:29:02 - 00:50:29:20

Well, I saw.

00:50:30:12 - 00:50:32:13
Daniel Franco
It was in the He walked in. You like that.

00:50:32:13 - 00:50:35:18
Daniel Franco
One. Oh yeah. And you remember it. Yeah. Absolutely.

00:50:35:19 - 00:50:41:21

It's a very human thing to be. I mean, this organization, you know, is my name or.

00:50:41:22 - 00:50:43:04
Daniel Franco
74 or whatever.

00:50:43:05 - 00:50:43:13
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

00:50:44:01 - 00:51:08:10
Claire Parkinson
So, so I think going back to your point earlier about the AI being something in the world that's exciting or a threat and listen to what everybody's saying, the bit that the human brings to the party is the tactile, the the sentiment, the feeling, the emotion. We'd be in big trouble if AI got smart enough. They brought that to the party.

00:51:08:16 - 00:51:09:12
Claire Parkinson
I don't know if it can.

00:51:10:02 - 00:51:10:09
Daniel Franco
Be that.

00:51:10:09 - 00:51:27:11

Far. If what you want to do is interact over a screen. Yeah, well, you can take the video. If you take the emotions, say, what should I be saying that I don't think we're that far from somebody being able to fake Claire over the computer and foo somebody. Yeah.

00:51:27:15 - 00:51:37:07
Claire Parkinson
And that's, that's the worry that actually we get out of a live to say good morning I'll be here today. You look a bit tired How you going How you kids then then we're in trouble.

00:51:37:23 - 00:51:40:06

Technology is here. The technologies are already there.

00:51:40:06 - 00:51:40:24
Daniel Franco
It's already there.

00:51:41:05 - 00:51:49:23
Andrew Nunn
You've got those avatars. I think you have a friend and they learn about you every time you talk to them and learn. And I talk back to you. And you can have a conversation with the avatar.

00:51:50:00 - 00:51:52:09
Daniel Franco
Yeah, well, deepfake technology.

00:51:52:20 - 00:51:53:22
Daniel Franco
So what's the value then?

00:51:53:22 - 00:52:02:24
Claire Parkinson
Obviously scared, obviously reproducing. If that's the case, if it can do everything bar reproduce, what's our value other than to reproduce?

00:52:04:09 - 00:52:06:03
Daniel Franco
There's a TV show on this holy.

00:52:06:03 - 00:52:06:14
Claire Parkinson
Moly

00:52:06:16 - 00:52:36:06
Daniel Franco
On. It's called Altered Altered carbon I think. Have you. Yeah. Yeah. So it talks about the body, the human body being merely a vessel. But is it. Yeah. So you plug in a thing in the back, it's like one of the things but yeah, you plug in and you're in this and, but you, but if your, if your body dies then your stack is what they call it, it's just replace it to another vessel and carry on like they just reproduce human.

00:52:36:10 - 00:52:39:24
Daniel Franco
Right. Yeah. It's pretty actually it's a great Yeah. And great TV.

00:52:39:24 - 00:52:51:17

Well and the reality supercomputers now have really distorted our world and they affect us every day. You wonder why there are so many people, young people with anxiety.

00:52:51:17 - 00:52:51:23
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

00:52:52:13 - 00:52:57:17

Their job is to keep you online and sorry I'm going.

00:52:57:23 - 00:52:58:05
Daniel Franco
To do.

00:52:59:04 - 00:53:24:04

Their jobs, keep you online, keep you distracted, keep you angry, keep you on Instagram and TikTok and all the other ways you can stay in front of a screen. And they aren't good things, so they're to distract you from focusing. Yep. And I read a book recently that said your life really is the sum of everything you pay attention to, and these supercomputers are causing us not to pay attention.

00:53:24:04 - 00:53:42:24

We don't have time. We turn my phone over. How much anxiety do we have right now? Because our phones are over on those desks and in front of us. So and the young people have never had any other experience, do they? Will they have the tools to fight against the supercomputer? I think we might be losing the battle.

00:53:43:07 - 00:53:54:17

Unfortunate. I hope we don't. I'm a hopeful person, but we're already in a pitched battle with incredibly smart computers.

00:53:54:17 - 00:54:18:23
Andrew Nunn
But then within that is up to everyone. They make you feel insecure and then they give you a solution to the insecurity, of course, and you buy this. So it's very difficult for the kids, very difficult. And like every parent, we struggle with screen time, get off the screen, get off the screen. You know, games like Fortnite are literally designed to keep you on, keeps changing so that you get back.

00:54:18:24 - 00:54:36:21
Daniel Franco
I'm not going to lie. My kids play Fortnite and I love it. Love just getting on and having a game with it. Right? Like, so I'm almost part of the you're part of the problem, no doubt. Gaming's a secret thing. You know, I do. I just think actually, from a meditative point of view, gaming is good because it just helps me.

00:54:37:03 - 00:54:37:14
Andrew Nunn
Switch out.

00:54:37:14 - 00:54:39:03
Daniel Franco
Switch off and just concentrate feeling.

00:54:39:03 - 00:54:39:21
Claire Parkinson
I have maths.

00:54:39:21 - 00:54:43:20
Daniel Franco
But now the drama.

00:54:44:10 - 00:54:45:06
Daniel Franco
That's a problem.

00:54:45:06 - 00:55:06:05

With a lot of things that are fun at first watching Netflix gaming, getting on social, playing, doing whatever or drinking. Yeah, to a point it's actually helps you and it's really constructive. But what happens is we often get pushed way beyond that point and then it's absolutely destructive.

00:55:06:05 - 00:55:06:13
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

00:55:07:14 - 00:55:11:14
Daniel Franco
It's not being able to emotionally regulate, is it. And put yourself so all.

00:55:11:14 - 00:55:14:08
Andrew Nunn
Of the kids are on it so they don't really.

00:55:16:04 - 00:55:16:14
Claire Parkinson
Know.

00:55:17:01 - 00:55:46:08
Eloise Hall
You know, and not to get too dark and political, but there's also the political element to the ecosystem that we're producing for ourselves. Like we did a topic at uni about digital governance and the effect of the threat it has to our democracy. And it's quite terrifying. Like there is a lot of eroding trust that we have in our governance because we have such a huge access to every piece of information we could ever want to think about.

00:55:46:23 - 00:56:14:09
Eloise Hall
We don't know what's true. We don't know what like truth in itself is this concept that feels ambiguous now because like, there's just so many pieces of news about the same thing with 40 different angles that people are being fed. According to the echo chamber, where we are breeding this very divisive community. And because we're putting less emphasis on human connection, we're missing out on the human element of it, too.

00:56:14:10 - 00:56:40:18
Eloise Hall
We've got these theories that all of a sudden divide our understanding of of people and our differences, that it becomes a difference. It doesn't become a different person. And it is quite a scary concept knowing that the feel for those echo chambers is to keep us attached to our device, and that is because it's breeding money. People, you know, is in fact people using it.

00:56:40:18 - 00:57:04:10
Eloise Hall
The more money that company gets, it's kind of, yeah, not to sound basic, but it's all just embedded in greed and capitalism. Like, well, where do we stop? What what, where do we put the boundaries in? Because there's there's no end to money in the eyes of these companies who, you know, have so, so much invested. And then there's the whole conversation of investing in data as well.

00:57:04:10 - 00:57:27:00
Eloise Hall
Big data, like when when are we going to give that a good thought and understand the value behind the investments that we're making on this big data exchange, how is that going to end? Like, what are we actually investing in there? Is there any true value to this data other than the exchange of information and pressure for people to, you know, chip into something that doesn't have any value?

00:57:27:00 - 00:57:27:18
Eloise Hall
It's yeah.

00:57:28:02 - 00:57:30:03
Daniel Franco
It's a big big questions.

00:57:30:03 - 00:57:49:24
Andrew Nunn
For us, I think, how we move forward in this environment. Right. So, you know, the site wants to drive innovation. It wants to be the cutting edge of a whole range of new, new industries and and yeah, currently, you know submarines and a lot of things will spin off that in this environment. Where does the state go? You know that's what I could have asked myself.

00:57:49:24 - 00:57:55:07
Andrew Nunn
So where where do we go with innovation? Where do we what are we giving young people the opportunity to do?

00:57:55:17 - 00:58:16:01
Daniel Franco
I feel like as a state, we're a little bit bipolar at the moment. There's mining, there's defense, the health now, you know, there's so with the startup we're trying to be in Silicon Valley. We've got like all this sort of talk that's going on in the world. Do you think that's a problem for a state of less than 2 million people?

00:58:16:02 - 00:58:17:17
Daniel Franco
We're trying to be so much in.

00:58:18:05 - 00:58:18:11
Daniel Franco
What.

00:58:18:11 - 00:58:19:18
Claire Parkinson
We know, what our purpose is.

00:58:20:01 - 00:58:20:19
Daniel Franco
As a state.

00:58:20:22 - 00:58:21:14
Claire Parkinson
Yeah, what is our purpose?

00:58:21:21 - 00:58:22:20
Daniel Franco
As any state.

00:58:22:20 - 00:58:23:13
Daniel Franco
Well, well.

00:58:24:09 - 00:58:26:07
Claire Parkinson
And if they don't, why not?

00:58:27:03 - 00:58:27:13
Daniel Franco
That's true.

00:58:27:15 - 00:58:48:03
Claire Parkinson
Well, why not? I mean, what is what is South Australia's purpose? I mean, what is it? We all know we have a brand which changes whenever there's a change of government. But what is our purpose? What is our purpose? Is it to grow? Is it to be the world's most innovative state, and is it to attract the younger demographic?

00:58:48:03 - 00:58:51:16
Claire Parkinson
I mean, what is our purpose? Until we know our purpose, how can we possibly succeed?

00:58:51:24 - 00:58:54:18
Daniel Franco
So as the government changes every four years?

00:58:54:20 - 00:59:06:21
Claire Parkinson
Well, I agree. And they lie and not race you either. The people need to decide what our purpose is. Otherwise it's a government initiative and it's a cyclical one. And it changes again.

00:59:06:21 - 00:59:23:09
Andrew Nunn
I think you'd be really clear on, you know, what what you actually want to be. And, you know, we don't. And I spent a lot of time telling you I don't we don't want to be Melbourne to Sydney. We don't we just to being asked, you know, great question, what is us and where is us going is a broader discussion that we need to.

00:59:23:13 - 00:59:37:05
Andrew Nunn
But again, going back to that whole discussion about alignment of purpose in small groups, one of the real advantages in South Australia in my mind or particularly Adelaide, is the degree of connectedness. Yeah, you know, the one degree of separation thing.

00:59:37:13 - 00:59:39:03
Daniel Franco
GO Yeah, it is.

00:59:39:03 - 00:59:57:01
Andrew Nunn
It's just about the right size to do just about everything. So I think it's, I think we've got that we should harness it and use it for good. But that ability to be really clear on our purpose and, and articulate that and then build around what we do better than anyone else and not have this desperate desire to be thin.

00:59:57:02 - 01:00:16:02
Andrew Nunn
Yeah, because we don't need to be them, you know? And that's, that's I think that's got to be really clear in that state, you know, and social impact I think is just such an important thing because it brings so much joy and happiness. When people have purpose with your company, the people come, they they probably skip into work because they're you know, they believe in the purpose.

01:00:16:20 - 01:00:17:15
Andrew Nunn
Well, we're going.

01:00:17:15 - 01:00:18:02
Daniel Franco
To change the.

01:00:18:02 - 01:00:18:15
Daniel Franco
World, right?

01:00:18:15 - 01:00:31:11
Andrew Nunn
Well, well, particularly in the world we're just talking about that's sort of got this so dark and changing edge to it. Yeah. To go back to purpose and go back to social good gives a real good focus on where, you know, where we could really add value.

01:00:31:11 - 01:00:52:05

And I think I don't think the government is is structurally set up for purpose. You know, again, I'm a big fan of Simon Sinek, as you can probably tell. Good. But his his book, The Infinite Game, says you should run a company as if it will live forever. Make your decisions like that. Not I'm going to get my pay out.

01:00:52:05 - 01:01:16:05

I'm going to do this. And you will end up doing the right thing and having achieving your best potential. But the nature of government is to change every three or four years. As you said, it's impossible for them to have an infinite game concept impossible, and it attracts a type of people who just want their, you know, three years in the sun and not everybody.

01:01:16:05 - 01:01:39:12

I don't mean to disparage all government. So if you look for government, for your inspiration, I think it's going to be a long wait and I don't think it will ever happen. It's got to it's got to grow from the people who live this. And I can tell you, having worked and lived in a lot of places, South Australia's just fantastic environment.

01:01:39:12 - 01:01:50:01

And when I moved to Australia, you couldn't have got me in Melbourne or Sydney. Oh, why do I want to live in a big old city where I have to commute forever? And it's just.

01:01:50:05 - 01:01:51:00
Claire Parkinson
Not no, a.

01:01:51:00 - 01:02:06:13

Blob, but it's not. If you've grown up in it, that's all. You know. You're not the big smoke, you know, we got to go to London or New York or someplace. That's where really the action is. And not till later you realize.

01:02:06:21 - 01:02:08:13
Daniel Franco
Yeah, yeah. That's where the.

01:02:08:13 - 01:02:40:20
Daniel Franco
Two here and the two youngest here that have grown up in Adelaide. And I look at the rest of the world like the big smoke and all the above and, and go whenever we're never going to be there. But what I would love is more bigger industry, bigger businesses to attract more talent like opportunity. Yeah, I am South Australian through and through, like our breed and love this state more than anyone I think.

01:02:40:20 - 01:03:06:06
Daniel Franco
And yet one degree of separation for me, it's how do we know we've done it with Bruce today, who was Committee for Adelaide now and the Property Council. We, we talked about getting the growing the population and, and then also we also done another podcast with Adrian Tambo is the chair of the South Australian Productivity Commission about how do we attract more people here.

01:03:07:00 - 01:03:29:24
Daniel Franco
And what's scary is that the numbers are actually showing that our age group are leaving in droves and that the older the X is and the baby boomers are coming back to this state. Right? So the numbers are showing a positive, but the the younger generation is still leaving. How do we keep them here? Is business, education, all those sort of questions.

01:03:29:24 - 01:03:32:04
Daniel Franco
What what is that? Where do we go to?

01:03:32:04 - 01:03:35:15
Andrew Nunn
We want to keep them here, just to me out. You know.

01:03:36:17 - 01:03:36:24
Daniel Franco
Young.

01:03:37:01 - 01:03:38:13
Daniel Franco
People, right? Yeah.

01:03:38:21 - 01:03:39:00
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

01:03:39:03 - 01:03:58:15
Andrew Nunn
People should go and experience world. That's true. I should come back and try to get them to come back earlier would be great. Yeah, right. And I think that should be the target. But I don't think we should ever stop young people going out because I think the people that that disparage Adelaide the most are the ones who have never been here or have never left.

01:03:59:10 - 01:04:21:10
Andrew Nunn
And when you put it into context, it all makes sense. So the more they travel, I think the more they come back. Ultimately, the thing is to create enough lifestyle here. They want to come back earlier. Yeah. And that's that should be our game and not we shouldn't call it brain drain. It's actually a brain game. They go over, they learn stuff, then they come back and build something and that is what we should be doing.

01:04:21:11 - 01:04:36:23
Daniel Franco
But does that happen in Sydney? Does that happen in Melbourne? Did I have like if one out of ten, if one out of ten people in Sydney go away, going to stay or go overseas or in that age group, it might be seven out of ten people in Adelaide, the numbers are pretty good.

01:04:37:05 - 01:04:52:18
Andrew Nunn
But again you look at and go, we don't have the same lifestyle that they have and for young people to have lots of stuff close to the city, yeah, we're building it now and it's getting better and that's why I think you'll find more young people want to come back earlier and stay and start a family and all those things.

01:04:52:18 - 01:05:05:23
Andrew Nunn
Yeah, for the reason we talked about the age and the, and the great suburbs and whatnot around is the reason people want to come back. And so I think need to elevate that. It goes back that same thing about not trying to be somebody else just do us bit and people come back.

01:05:07:06 - 01:05:38:16
Eloise Hall
I also kind of want to disagree with the point earlier about brands, just because I think if we stop pocketing the purpose of this state, then people will feel claustrophobic in that's what we need to achieve. I actually think what Adelaide or South Australia could focus on is the diversity of opportunity. So the whole question as well, if like you, we've got defense, we've got space, we've got all of these different angles, I think that's what we need to keep going, keep growing, because at the end of the day we are such a diverse group of people.

01:05:38:16 - 01:06:00:14
Eloise Hall
That's never going to change. In fact, we want to encourage that diversity. So I feel like need to make space for for more diversity, for for less kind of one vision, because I don't think we're ever going to agree. There's always going to be forgotten groups of people. So I think we need to kind of flip it in the totally inverted way and think, okay Great, well, we have a diverse people.

01:06:00:14 - 01:06:04:17
Eloise Hall
Let's make this this this economic landscape diverse as well.

01:06:05:01 - 01:06:23:14
Daniel Franco
I'm interested in your thought process. So, you know, you mentioned the submarines and the ORCAS program recently that's been announced. If South Australia was a defense state, which is purely only defense, a lot of the younger generation don't actually believe in the defense world at all. Do you think there would be next to this if we were just the defense state?

01:06:24:05 - 01:06:53:00
Eloise Hall
I don't know if it's that we don't believe in defense. I think there's this hope and kind of optimism that we can live in a in a world of peace. And like if we're thinking generationally my great grandparents had bubble one my grandparents are in mobile. My parents, the kind of product of that survival I'm born is the generation of why the heck did those wars happen anyway?

01:06:53:00 - 01:07:20:07
Eloise Hall
Like I've grown up in, generally speaking, peace time. There is that frustration that that, you know, there isn't that focus on peace. They're so distracted on making so much money and building so much business and that it becomes this huge competition. I often think of this concept if that was a like, you know, if there were aliens on Mars and they decided to invade us, invade the Earth, we'd all be friends with all that, Oh gee, there's this common threat.

01:07:20:08 - 01:07:41:12
Eloise Hall
We should probably work together and be mates and like, you know, stop having going each other. I think there's a I feel like that conversation isn't happening. There isn't this emphasis on peace. There's this emphasis on, you know, sovereignty and security. Obviously, that's important because, you know, it's not like I'm denying that there are threats out there, but there's no conversation of peace.

01:07:41:12 - 01:08:05:24
Eloise Hall
I think it feels forgotten. It feels ignored in like, okay, well, if it's focused on defense, you can't help but think that there's some essence of aggression in that because what are we defending? Because we haven't had a discussion about peace, defending freedom and our peace. Because you know what? Why there's no celebration of that in a healthy way, an honest way.

01:08:05:24 - 01:08:22:19
Eloise Hall
So I think it is about that phrase again and again, the purpose of our defense. And why is that important? Do we actually find the value? And we probably would when we unpack it in a really honest way, way that's kind of designed and well.

01:08:24:02 - 01:08:46:14

In the now, this is where baby boomers will always come up. Yeah, you know, my father was almost killed when my mother was pregnant with me in Korea. It lasted two months. That's about what a second weekend it lasted in in Korea. And, you know, I've barely avoided Vietnam myself. I went two years to military academy at West Point, so.

01:08:46:20 - 01:09:13:11

And my father is military officer. So, you know, all this military stuff. And my son went to Duntroon for a while. So if if the world were like Australians being met, fantastic voice. Australian travel to America, they walk in some ghetto and they think they're not going to get mugged and that he's just all get along mate, and they don't because their accents where I go, there they are.

01:09:13:14 - 01:09:41:19

So that's they're going in a lot. And Australia, we're such a great lucky country, why should there be war? But if the Chinese were to and I've nothing as Chinese people but the Chinese government is says we're going to take Taiwan 25 million people on an island, does that ring a bell? And because it's ours and because we can and we will by 20, whatever it is, 49, we'll probably do it a lot sooner than that.

01:09:42:20 - 01:10:07:17

And then they're building deep water ports all around the Pacific. We constituting islands, you can have peace if two people want to have peace. But is it incumbent? Is the first thing a government should do to defend its people? My vote is yes. That's the first thing it should do before everything else. Yeah, we've been lucky and we've been remote and we haven't had to worry about that.

01:10:07:23 - 01:10:29:23

But if Taiwan were to get invaded tomorrow, it could happen tomorrow. Our world would change radically. Not only would all the chips that are made there all of a sudden go away, you couldn't buy a car and a whole bunch of the other things that are in short supply just due to supply chain. It would probably stop. Our world would change even if they didn't invade.

01:10:30:00 - 01:10:55:07

So this is this is going to happen potentially right away, whereas the oceans might rise in 2100 and they may or may not. But there is a much bigger existential threat to us right now, and we don't have a choice to say, Well, it would be ideal if it wasn't like this. So I apologize if I feel like if you feel like I'm not.

01:10:55:07 - 01:11:10:22

No, no, I don't want to do that. But it's clearly on my mind when I look in the eyes of my grandchildren. What, you know, you're going to have to speak Mandarin and wear something special. I mean, probably you never even think about that. But I do.

01:11:10:22 - 01:11:11:20
Daniel Franco
Mm hmm.

01:11:12:22 - 01:11:13:17
Andrew Nunn
Interesting times.

01:11:13:20 - 01:11:17:09
Daniel Franco
It is a bit of change about these placements. And then they go.

01:11:17:12 - 01:11:41:05
Claire Parkinson
I was reading on the on the news this morning and I'm not local news here, but I'm Googling as you do. And I see the UK government has put a ban on Tik Tok being used on any government funds and I was written into it and I was like, Well, what can I do? So naive, blissfully unaware, blissfully.

01:11:41:12 - 01:11:47:11
Andrew Nunn
Live in the cameras. They've taken the matter of Chinese, made cameras out of every government building now.

01:11:47:15 - 01:11:50:08
Daniel Franco
Wow. They were using that term.

01:11:50:13 - 01:11:57:03

Business in China. You're required to share the data that you get. That is an absolute requirement.

01:11:58:13 - 01:12:19:01
Daniel Franco
But it kohli's like this will probably be the most basic question that I've asked. Right? But like our government changes, right? The Chinese government, at some point, will it ever term, will it ever get a later in place? It goes actually not like I think peace is my option.

01:12:20:06 - 01:12:26:00

And it's just put himself in for life. I think they've changed the law so he can stay there as long as he's alive.

01:12:27:06 - 01:13:00:15
Eloise Hall
I have a I did a topic on the alliance of the relationship with the US, China and Australia, which is super interesting and one kind of piece of information that I've clung to is China's one child policy obviously is cease now, but the effect of that is about to kind of ripple in the next 20 years. And when you look at population stats solely, they're not really that much of a threat in 10 to 15 years just because their population is aging, dropping so drastically and aging so drastically.

01:13:00:24 - 01:13:22:11
Eloise Hall
So I had a lecturer kind of hint that we kind of have to just push through the next 10 to 15 years and then the threat is going to be significantly reduced. Obviously, technology and all the rest is is still relevant and that doesn't age as rapidly. But It was kind of interesting and he said that with such conviction.

01:13:22:18 - 01:13:25:13
Eloise Hall
Oh, okay, cool. So it will just hang tight.

01:13:26:15 - 01:13:29:14

Yeah. It doesn't take that many people to man a nuclear submarine that's.

01:13:29:18 - 01:13:30:15
Eloise Hall
No of course.

01:13:30:15 - 01:13:31:13
Daniel Franco
Yeah that's the problem.

01:13:31:18 - 01:13:32:19
Eloise Hall
But yeah.

01:13:32:23 - 01:13:45:05

For a big young, you know, land army that may be true, but technology is the is the force multiplier and the Chinese are investing in it in a huge way.

01:13:45:11 - 01:13:50:20
Eloise Hall
But also people, money people bring the, the resources to fund and fuel and.

01:13:51:06 - 01:13:52:23

And make the whole place just grow.

01:13:52:23 - 01:14:02:14
Eloise Hall
Yeah yeah. So of course you don't need that many people in on the ground, but you need a whole country full of people to, to fund it and to pursue it.

01:14:03:24 - 01:14:26:07
Daniel Franco
So talking about threats, we're talking about change. We talk about leadership. Or in this conversation, I think kind of good segue way into the next question. I want to get to political. We're going to go on forever. I understand but I think everyone sitting right here I eat right now is a leader in their own right. I'm interested in you know, we're talking about threats where.

01:14:26:07 - 01:14:51:16
Daniel Franco
Have you, as an individual felt threatened in your role as a leader and what did you do about it? What threat could be, you know, the threat of the business going down or whatever it might be. It doesn't need to be a physical threat. But where have you felt like you've been you've been derailed as a leader and what did you do about that?

01:14:51:16 - 01:15:33:00
Claire Parkinson
MM Mine. Mine was a values thing for me. Not, not in the role. The company I'm in now, as many, many years ago, and it wasn't a government organization. And I remember I was in a de novo role, I was essentially Switzerland. So I was kind of the interface between multiple companies and my job was to deliver an outcome which delivered best for government and I had been given a sum of money to employ somebody and the right person for the job that would also come in and also be Switzerland and also be a complete de novo and everything else.

01:15:33:00 - 01:15:58:15
Claire Parkinson
And I was quite naive and I was told who that person was going to be. And I we didn't go for a process and that compromised me as a human and a leader because, you know, I knew that my primary responsibility was to be Switzerland and be de novo. And therefore I wanted to run a recruitment campaign. I didn't know who the successful candidate was going to be.

01:15:58:15 - 01:16:22:03
Claire Parkinson
As a result of that. I didn't know anybody was going to apply or or even if anybody would apply. But I was challenged beyond all measure, if you like, on that process, and that was probably the first time I'd faced up. I'd say it was kind of an inequality really, in that this was a predetermined decision, but we're going to package you as the right decision.

01:16:22:24 - 01:16:43:19
Claire Parkinson
And that was my first real experience in whether or not I go to bed with my integrity that night or whether I fight it, knowing that that could be a massive impost on my career trajectory in government. MM Yeah, that was for me out there.

01:16:44:18 - 01:16:46:12
Daniel Franco
And you obviously stuck with your integrity.

01:16:46:18 - 01:16:56:15
Claire Parkinson
I slept with my integrity and went to Private enterprises. I did. Well, you know, I did beat that.

01:16:56:21 - 01:16:58:02
Daniel Franco
Yeah, I think so.

01:16:58:06 - 01:17:14:07
Daniel Franco
Yeah. I think integrity is a leader comes up every single time and it doesn't any there's so many ways that you can skin a cat but I think to choosing the path of integrity and working to your values, that is definitely the lesson that we should all follow.

01:17:15:15 - 01:17:17:20

But I think the trend is the other way.

01:17:18:20 - 01:17:19:13
Daniel Franco
Scarily it.

01:17:19:13 - 01:17:48:11

Is. You look at Donald Trump has zero integrity, zero compassion, and I'm sorry if there's Trump fans listening to this or here in the room, but and I'm a lifelong Republican from the states. But integrity doesn't matter. And it's been getting less important every year, even starting, in fact, Australia. That's why I want to stay in Australia. It's much more intact than it is in the United States, but the trend is in the wrong direction.

01:17:48:11 - 01:18:16:16

Look at Morrison decided. He is kind of have all these portfolios not tell anybody that's such a low integrity move, but it seemed appropriate to him at the time he rationalized it. And in general I think it's harder to live as a person with integrity because you pay for that integrity financially often and so I you know, the theory is, yeah, integrity, that's the way to go.

01:18:16:16 - 01:18:20:14

But I'm seeing it slip away everywhere.

01:18:21:14 - 01:18:22:10
Daniel Franco
Does that concern you?

01:18:22:24 - 01:18:42:23
Andrew Nunn
Uh, well, yeah. I mean, the issue there is, though, is that clear visibility. Who's the leader? Who's setting the tone? Are we all following on the same vision? It goes back to those same things you can't be really clear about. Do I believe in vision and do I want to sign up to it? Because I think people these days are very clear on if they don't believe the vision.

01:18:42:24 - 01:19:03:20
Andrew Nunn
I genuinely don't stay. You know, staff are much more transient now than I used to be because there's a lot more options. You know, you got 3.5% unemployment, which effectively fully employed. If you want a job, you can get one. If you don't believe in the vision or in the integrity or the focus, then you should get and you should vote with your feet.

01:19:03:20 - 01:19:21:06
Andrew Nunn
And I think that's appropriate. I think I think young people particularly do that, you know, and and so we in the engineering business, we spend a lot of time engaging the young people about what they want to do, how they want to run their business, how they want to run their business. And we want it to be their business.

01:19:21:06 - 01:19:38:08
Andrew Nunn
And it's, you know, yes, it's got to be a focus. Yes, we've got to make money. Yes, we've got to do the things we've got to do to look after the clients. But they've got to want to come and they've got to want to be there. And integrity is absolutely core. And no one wants to work for somebody that I don't trust, believe, believing.

01:19:38:09 - 01:19:59:01
Andrew Nunn
And so I think it's I think, really important the concept of of ever feeling threatened as a leader. I can't think of too many. But but from my perspective, I'm the best advice I always got was make yourself redundant in every role. Yeah, from the very first day. So I think about how you get out and how you bring somebody else up.

01:19:59:10 - 01:20:26:07
Andrew Nunn
And so then that issue, it's almost a shared journey. Then you find out who's going to be our replacement or how do I change the role? So I got multiple replacements and then I can go do something else. And the joy of going to do something else is is sort of embedded in me now. And but that concept of bringing the next layer up and empowering them and then moving on and being really comfortable moving on, you know, back in the day, you know, people when I started engineering, the guys were there for ever.

01:20:26:14 - 01:20:29:04
Andrew Nunn
You know, they got in their rolls and they stayed. And if they got.

01:20:29:04 - 01:20:30:09
Daniel Franco
To, we will they stayed.

01:20:31:08 - 01:20:50:03
Andrew Nunn
And they had to wait almost for somebody to die or a time before you could move up. So my view is just keep changing the business, let it grow, let it be new, let it let everybody have a bit of a decent role. The cream rises, give it room to rise and rise. And so so yeah, that's my view about this whole because I don't actually feel.

01:20:50:03 - 01:20:51:06
Daniel Franco
Threatened or much you.

01:20:51:06 - 01:21:01:02
Daniel Franco
Feel like that contradicts or compliments an infinite game. The idea of making yourself redundant. Cynics theories.

01:21:01:22 - 01:21:22:16

I think the idea of making stuff redundant is is just consistent with good business. Is a mechanic and good business, but the internet game is more of a philosophy about what your scope and time frame you're going to make short term decisions or long term, you know, just make the issue of of being afraid that something is going to go on in leadership.

01:21:23:01 - 01:21:57:21

I didn't I'm on the end of my career and I really haven't had to deal with this. Everybody go home and now I'm going to lead you because I have studied and looked a lot of the difference between management and leadership and. You know, management is doing things right and leadership is doing the right things, but it's also bringing people on the journey and I think that, again, when you disperse everyone and they're all now just on the screen, it is it's a challenge to leadership that you didn't anticipate.

01:21:57:21 - 01:22:23:23

We had to go home as a pandemic, but then everybody started resigning because leadership took such a big hit. So they called it the great resignation. Yeah. What is that? That's long COVID for businesses and that everybody is now thinking about what's right for me. You're got what do you have for me? And so the turnover has been massive for a lot of companies, engineering companies, I.T. companies, and it goes on and on.

01:22:24:12 - 01:22:28:11

So that's been a big threat to the leadership. Fortune haven't had to deal with like that.

01:22:28:11 - 01:22:28:17
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

01:22:29:13 - 01:22:51:17
Daniel Franco
Just on the leadership front, I mean, and we talk integrity. There's and you've mentioned capitalism all the above sort of wraps into this player. The world is moving towards how we make money, right? And there are people starting businesses with this core focus of making money purposes in so much with strength. But it's about how do we get return on investment.

01:22:52:08 - 01:23:13:19
Daniel Franco
And so I am a big believer in personal development. I know you are making big, big reader. I think everyone here is is interested in their own growth and development. Do you think as a leader in order to play to your values, in order to play to your integrity, you have to consistently invest in self, invest in your own.

01:23:14:10 - 01:23:16:17
Daniel Franco
Once you're in growth?

01:23:16:17 - 01:23:39:24
Eloise Hall
Yeah, I think there's almost to the point of threats as well. Like if you are especially in the space of innovation and startup, you have to be carving a new path like it's not and an innovation if you're walking along the path that someone's already written. And so I think to do that, you have to have the conviction yourself and your own understanding of how you envision this journey to go.

01:23:40:10 - 01:24:02:13
Eloise Hall
You have to have the conviction to keep persevering. And I guess an example of a threat that maybe I more consistently experienced at the start of my journey starting my business was, you know, I was a 17 year old young woman who had this vision of a social enterprise that could eradicate period. Poverty is very ambitious and ambition still here.

01:24:02:22 - 01:24:28:05
Eloise Hall
But, you know, I had I had middle aged men who I'm trying to make a business deal with, ask if Daddy's money funded the company and, you know, just shut down so many visions and, you know, hard work. You know, we spent two months crowdfunding and then the week after our crowdfunding ends, did Daddy's money finally come? And you think, Oh, you know, those the threats, I think, for me have been the status quo.

01:24:28:18 - 01:24:52:23
Eloise Hall
So to have the conviction of a leader who's making an innovative path forward and painting your visions, you have to have the conviction. You have to be investing in yourself to actually understand that what you're doing is true. And it is, you know, important for the community. There is value there, and that takes constant reflection. There are so many points in the year where I have to stop and think, what am I doing?

01:24:52:23 - 01:25:17:01
Eloise Hall
Why am I doing this? Because I need to know that this is still true, this is still relevant, this is still valuable. And then you've got your next bout of, of of energy really, to keep pushing forward. And then that comes from obviously, personal development, personal reflection, but also just shutting up and listening to people's advice and insight, letting people throw their $0.02 in your team especially.

01:25:17:10 - 01:25:39:10
Eloise Hall
And then, you know, mentors, family, friends. I've had friends tell me that I've been really flat two months and you think, Oh gosh, I haven't noticed. I haven't picked up on that. Thanks, kids. Now I'm going to think about that. I haven't been interacting as much and you need to constantly be keeping on yourself, but also giving yourself time to celebrate and, you know, pays off.

01:25:39:11 - 01:25:44:10
Eloise Hall
And that the simple things you got to you got to stop and breathe. Yeah.

01:25:44:10 - 01:26:02:24
Daniel Franco
So, I mean, talking about you right now, you're very self aware for someone at such a young age or I think we see I think, you know, Eloise is almost a unicorn at that age. Do you do you think that there is a leadership issue right now in organizations.

01:26:04:04 - 01:26:06:09
Andrew Nunn
In terms of not providing.

01:26:06:09 - 01:26:13:10
Daniel Franco
Well, I mean, management versus leadership, right? There are people who can manage but have no idea how to lead.

01:26:13:10 - 01:26:18:17
Andrew Nunn
Yeah, look, I think there's always there's never enough really good leaders or what does a.

01:26:18:17 - 01:26:19:20
Daniel Franco
Good leader look like then?

01:26:19:20 - 01:26:37:17
Andrew Nunn
Wow. I mean, as you wake up in the morning, you looking forward to going to work? You believe in the vision, You believe, where we going? You want to expand, where you're at, your horizons. You feel like you can. Now, all those things that make feel good is important. Why you go to work? You know, my money is and all those things.

01:26:37:17 - 01:26:55:22
Andrew Nunn
Yes, but you like to feel good. At the end of the day, you know the concept of investing in yourself. I think it's really important as leaders that you keep looking back on why you do stuff. Why? Because you do get lost doing this. Everything. You've got to put your head up on the market and have a little look around.

01:26:55:23 - 01:27:14:11
Andrew Nunn
So am I still heading in the direction I thought I was? And you've got to you do have to question that. I think a lot, particularly when you get really successful, that's when you get successful, you start to believe remarketing, which is always very dangerous. So you need to go back to why did I do this, why did I set this up?

01:27:14:22 - 01:27:38:01
Andrew Nunn
But for young start ups, I think it's great that young people probably the best part of my job is Chief is talking to the young people about their ideas. Probably the best thing, even at school level, when you go into their senior year, 1011, 12, and talking to those kids who who get it and they get to start their own businesses, they just get richer because they just driven to do it.

01:27:38:07 - 01:27:38:14
Daniel Franco
You know.

01:27:38:15 - 01:27:56:10
Andrew Nunn
And they feel like they can. But when I did it I thought, you know, there's not a lot of help around. It's not that I need it. I just didn't even think about it. Yeah, just got on with it. Now. There's so much help and support around it. People reach out, it's it's great, you know, and we should encourage more because I think people will end up working for themselves.

01:27:56:10 - 01:28:01:05
Andrew Nunn
I'll develop their own purpose and they'll head off and I think that's fine and drive people along on the journey.

01:28:01:10 - 01:28:01:18
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

01:28:02:01 - 01:28:22:04
Eloise Hall
I feel like it's also important to make yeah, make it give give people space to be leaders. Like there's so many people that I can point out in my life that would make phenomenal leaders. But why would they want to? You're the first person to get shot down the face of every mistake ever made, you know, in that journey.

01:28:22:04 - 01:28:22:20
Eloise Hall
It's not.

01:28:22:21 - 01:28:23:10
Daniel Franco
For sport.

01:28:23:10 - 01:28:52:02
Eloise Hall
Yeah. And we don't really give, I think, leaders enough credit. Like we're so quick to point where they've made mistakes, which is we need to keep people accountable. We we can't take that away. But, you know, we're we're also, I think, missing out on a lot of leaders just because they understand the depth of the work they're about to do like that saying we don't like the people who we need in leadership positions and never the ones to sign up because they the weight of their responsibility.

01:28:53:13 - 01:29:00:06
Eloise Hall
If we actually had to maybe put more of a community focus on lifting those ladies up into some.

01:29:00:06 - 01:29:00:20
Daniel Franco
More.

01:29:01:21 - 01:29:05:15
Eloise Hall
Supported environments, perhaps we would find we have better leaders around.

01:29:06:04 - 01:29:13:18
Daniel Franco
Your question, to me and to that point earlier, what you said was one thing you've learned, what Eloise has just said then is triggered.

01:29:15:05 - 01:29:16:02
Daniel Franco
Well, one.

01:29:16:02 - 01:29:41:17
Daniel Franco
Thing that I have absolutely no say in all the leaders that we've had on is that they're all still trying to figure it out. No one actually has anything figured out. Right. I mean, you're nodding there. And it for me, it feels like this constant strive to consistently improve while trying to I don't know if this is the right level, for lack of a better sign for trying to keep everyone else happy and trying to create a culture in the organization that everyone wants to work with.

01:29:41:22 - 01:29:59:00
Daniel Franco
But still, what are you trying to figure out? So you're going to make mistakes. You're going to say things that are going to contradict what you said yesterday. You know, things are constantly moving and changing. Clarity is really hard to to give you everything because you actually don't know, like all these different things come into it as a leader.

01:29:59:00 - 01:30:20:19
Daniel Franco
That's why I think you're right. And when you say conviction, it's about is. And you know, we've talked about grit and resilience and the constant need to continue to strive to improve so that we can keep providing an environment for people who want to work with us and who are buying into our vision and buying into the companies vision and the state's vision and all the above as well.

01:30:22:04 - 01:30:56:16

You know, there's an old saying, and I can't remember I was Gandhi or the Dalai Lama or somebody on these, but live as if you'll die tomorrow about learning, as if you'll live forever. And I like that concept. It happens to fit me well. That's why I'm constantly still trying to improve. But I then think about that as it's related to this infinite game and company, because I can't see go from the individual and individual leadership to the company and company leadership.

01:30:57:00 - 01:31:23:02

If you can't lead yourself, you're going to have trouble leading other people. And and so part of your personal leadership, I think, is continuing to grow as times change and improve yourself. So if you think of a philosophy, your company as it's not a bell curve where you're you're going to go downhill, it's always going to get better if you think of your life that way.

01:31:23:02 - 01:31:44:02

And it's really hard when things start breaking physically, but your mind keeps going for a long time, then you'll want to develop that and you will keep going and going and going as if your leadership and your and your knowledge and your wisdom is not of a bell shaped curve that goes when you turn 35. It's actually something that can grow forever.

01:31:44:23 - 01:32:00:09

So I know there's a lot of concepts in there, but I really believe that if everybody continued to learn just how I'm going to be better at everything in my life, they'd be better leaders at work and they'd be better at home probably.

01:32:01:05 - 01:32:37:22
Daniel Franco
All right, great. So we've talked innovation, we've talked change, We talk leadership, we've talked culture. For me, I want to sort of hop on to change pace and innovation and just the way the world's going a little bit further as as leaders, we are having to think more about the consumer. I know Louise's is really, really interested in this in this space where consumers are focused more on sustainable animal or sustainability.

01:32:37:22 - 01:33:03:18
Daniel Franco
They're more socially conscious in amongst trying to grow and lead businesses and, you know, work to purpose. How do we think about all these other things that are going on in which is almost an expectation right now? And how do we lead through this change? Yeah, well, trying to manage this ever evolving world as well, as well as managing ourselves and others who are pointing fingers and saying, You're not doing this.

01:33:04:08 - 01:33:28:01
Andrew Nunn
I suspect it will be legislated. I think what you're talking about and why is the ESG requirement to look at your business or any business or even government is what business more holistically? Is the governance right is a sustainability right for its people. And you know, where we source products and all those sort of things. My personal view is that will be legislated.

01:33:28:01 - 01:33:42:21
Andrew Nunn
That'll be the single biggest change that happens in, in, in business over the next ten years. And I think it'll be legislated. I think you'll have to report on it. I think you'll have to and I think it'll be better for business. It will be another thing that business needs to think about, but it moves away from that.

01:33:43:13 - 01:33:53:11
Andrew Nunn
It's all about profit, profit from it, it's all about profit. But if I don't take these things, I can't get my money. Yeah, So I think it'll be good. I think it'll put a focus on what I'm interested in. Yeah.

01:33:54:02 - 01:34:16:21
Claire Parkinson
I think. Well, I think there is no greater gift to a company than to be responsible in all that it does. It's more. It's more than making money. It's contributing to, you know, like we, we have six stakeholder groups, you know, it's not just the shareholder. We apply equally important to all of them because we to be responsible in everything we do.

01:34:16:21 - 01:34:34:09
Claire Parkinson
Otherwise, it's a bit of a superficial moneymaking business, which is, you know, morally let alone ethically and everything else that comes with it wrong. So responsible ESG risk being responsible. And we are meant to be.

01:34:34:14 - 01:34:34:23
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

01:34:35:19 - 01:34:36:18
Daniel Franco
And you guys are doing a great.

01:34:36:18 - 01:34:41:07
Daniel Franco
Job with that. That's led by you. You're one of the.

01:34:41:10 - 01:34:43:13
Claire Parkinson
No, no, no, definitely not. Is led by the team.

01:34:43:13 - 01:34:44:19
Daniel Franco
Okay. Well, that's terrific.

01:34:45:12 - 01:34:50:10
Daniel Franco
And I hope my work life gets.

01:34:50:10 - 01:35:15:23
Eloise Hall
Yeah, I feel like I saw capitalism out there earlier in maybe a bit of a dirty way. And I don't want to trade it like a dirty word because it's not. But I do think there is this reform on how we spend and how we sell. And the trend that I'm actually most excited about is the social enterprise trend, because it makes so much sense that it gives me so much hope in that I believe the power is with the people.

01:35:15:23 - 01:35:39:14
Eloise Hall
Like, you know, history is that we make a collaborative decision. That's what happens. And the power is also at the peak with people's decision on where to spend their money. And we've we're seeing this trend in consumerism in people spending their dollar where possible with the ethical business, social business, business that's considered the, you know, equality policies in the workplace.

01:35:39:19 - 01:36:03:22
Eloise Hall
People are actually becoming more aware of this because they know that it actually makes an effect when there is that pressure and expectation from the consumer that this businesses respond. And when we consider in a social enterprise capacity, it's life changing, its world changing because all of a, you know, strictly making the rich richer, you're actually selling a product that people are buying anyway or service.

01:36:04:04 - 01:36:27:11
Eloise Hall
And then some of that dollar, some of that profit is, you know, kind of exponentially snowballing to to the rich at the moment is being somewhat reversed and uplifting. People from from the opposite end of the economic scale. And what we see is better world there is there's less aggression, there's less crime, there is less, you know, difference, because all of a sudden people have a more fair go.

01:36:27:13 - 01:36:46:12
Eloise Hall
At the moment, you know, someone working for jobs might not make as much as someone who just had, you know, I don't know, ten grand handed to them when they were 20. That's a completely different scale of of opportunity. And unfortunately, hard work doesn't equal reward in the world that we're living in now and how we're exchanging our dollar.

01:36:47:02 - 01:37:18:16
Eloise Hall
So, yeah, the trend of social enterprise is picking up so dramatically as well. There were recent studies that show it's employing the same amount of people as mining in Australia, the social enterprise sector, and it's infiltrating all conversations, it's infiltrating consumer behavior. And if this if typically for profit businesses don't start adjusting the way that they're spending, you're going to have all social enterprises are going to take over so quickly because there's no longevity in the way that we're consuming at the moment.

01:37:18:16 - 01:37:27:23
Eloise Hall
It has to change. There is it's just breeding inequality and that is not healthy for anyone.

01:37:27:23 - 01:37:28:03
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

01:37:29:10 - 01:38:02:04
Andrew Nunn
Yeah. It's interesting. I think I 100% agree on social enterprise. I just think that that is the future and is in our state. Fantastic business opportunity to really the key to social enterprise in my mind is doing the accounting right is calling it something not for profit and in a way undermines its its outcomes because it's the avoided cost, it's the ability to account for the avoided costs of things you didn't have to spend because you knew this is actually a profit.

01:38:02:13 - 01:38:18:22
Andrew Nunn
Yeah, which is a different way of looking at how you account for it. So once we get the accounting right and I think that's where, you know, part of the story is a bit about that. But, but there's a broad acute accounting issue around how we do avoided costs. But once the government gets on to avoiding cost, particularly in health, can you do this?

01:38:18:22 - 01:38:27:11
Andrew Nunn
And you don't need to do all of that? Well, that means that was the saving from doing that. Yeah, from a governance point of view. And that's that's where I think it needs to.

01:38:27:11 - 01:38:46:14
Eloise Hall
Thinking and also legislation like we're seeing governments will pick up social procurement policies. How smart is that? We're spending public dollar with social businesses who are providing the service that the government's procured and giving back to communities. It's just doubling the impact it just makes so much sense to spend a public dollar like that.

01:38:46:19 - 01:39:04:20
Andrew Nunn
But a lot of that comes down to getting governments to government procurement. It's difficult. Yes, it's always difficult. Big company procurement is difficult. You've got to the trick is getting that working well so that you can take social enterprises into account when you're evaluating tenders and say, well, these guys are doing it, you know I'm getting a benefit from doing that.

01:39:05:05 - 01:39:11:24
Andrew Nunn
So they should get it. Maybe they don't take all the other boxes, maybe they take that box enough. Yeah. And it's that sort of recognition. I think it's really both.

01:39:12:00 - 01:39:29:19
Eloise Hall
Yeah. And I think it's kind of reorganization of value as well. It's like, okay, well perhaps one day we've valued this outcome, but okay, we're a government where we're here to represent the people and not constituents. Maybe the value is actually with community. Maybe it's that, you know, investment in.

01:39:30:02 - 01:39:30:19
Daniel Franco
These outcomes.

01:39:30:19 - 01:39:33:05
Daniel Franco
That remains fair is the thing.

01:39:33:05 - 01:39:38:04
Eloise Hall
Yeah. And it still aligns it, you know, which is the most effective and most efficient option.

01:39:38:18 - 01:39:57:12
Andrew Nunn
But it probably is that when it's historically been what's the cheapest way of doing it, you end up with all the problems associated with necessarily the lowest tender. Yeah, when you evaluate on a range of different things, you might end up with different outcomes and different benefits long term. So it's just one of those things.

01:39:57:20 - 01:40:15:00
Daniel Franco
Now on, I feel like we could continue forever, but I know that you are all very busy people and have to shoot off, so we're got 10 minutes left of this podcast. Time has flown and I feel like there's a pot to in the mix. Maybe 200 that will do quicker than that.

01:40:15:15 - 01:40:17:15
Andrew Nunn
I think make sure that we don't see Yeah.

01:40:18:04 - 01:40:18:12
Daniel Franco
Right.

01:40:19:06 - 01:40:42:22
Daniel Franco
That's all right I'll be speaking to about for me I love when we get a lot of comments about the quickfire questions at the end of the podcast. I've changed them now the next hundred, I've had a set of quick fires for the for the past part 100 change some slightly few here in time. There's a couple that I've kept because I'm obsessed with them and.

01:40:44:02 - 01:40:44:19
Claire Parkinson
Changed and them.

01:40:45:07 - 01:40:50:03
Daniel Franco
Not going to trouble. I think it's called evolution.

01:40:50:03 - 01:40:50:14
Daniel Franco
But I want to.

01:40:50:14 - 01:41:09:03
Daniel Franco
Just jump into some quickfire questions. I actually want everyone to give a quick answer to it and then we'll wrap up. And so I think you move on from there. So First question, which for me is just quickly, what what excites you about next five years?

01:41:09:03 - 01:41:10:24
Eloise Hall
I'm excited to see where social enterprise goes.

01:41:11:10 - 01:41:15:01
Daniel Franco
Yeah, brilliant.

01:41:15:01 - 01:41:20:14
Andrew Nunn
Everything in South Australia. I'm so excited about where the state will be in five years. It's amazing in my view.

01:41:20:21 - 01:41:21:03
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

01:41:22:00 - 01:41:43:08
Claire Parkinson
So I'm excited too. I've literally just finished a session with a guru on my purpose in life. Like what? Dig Session. And I'm excited to see whether I can live my purpose in the next five years, more so than I do now. That excites the hell out of me.

01:41:43:08 - 01:41:43:18
Daniel Franco
That's cool.

01:41:44:00 - 01:41:44:11
Claire Parkinson
Yeah.

01:41:45:12 - 01:42:08:21

Yeah, I guess you're waiting for me. Remember, I'm on the other end of the career thing. So from a career standpoint, I'm excited about not having to deal with all these issues. From a personal standpoint, I'm happy to see us progress out of the whole pandemic thing in a stronger, better way. And I think that, you know, that adversity has made us stronger and well.

01:42:09:06 - 01:42:11:01

So I'm optimistic about Yeah.

01:42:11:08 - 01:42:11:20
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

01:42:12:12 - 01:42:18:12
Daniel Franco
What's one book you're reading or one book that you feel stands out from the crowd?

01:42:18:24 - 01:42:34:23
Eloise Hall
It's I'm reading The Leading Edge by Holly Ransome. Yes, it's great. She was actually my the keynote speaker. My final. My graduation from school. Was it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:42:35:13 - 01:42:35:23
Daniel Franco
She's great.

01:42:36:00 - 01:43:08:09

I just finished recently, and it's a bestseller. 4000 weeks, Which is about what you live, too. If you live in old age. And I. It really helped me get perspective on life, which is easy to lose. And it also takes a big swot and social media social companies rather. But I found it really a perspective, good perspective setter that fits in with all the other things that I've written.

01:43:08:09 - 01:43:11:07

Highly recommend it.

01:43:11:07 - 01:43:19:01
Andrew Nunn
Yeah, under eight. A lot of those sort of things. I read them, I read fictional books that sort of take me somewhere else, so I just switch off.

01:43:19:02 - 01:43:20:11

I don't have a ten theme with me.

01:43:20:11 - 01:43:22:06
Daniel Franco
Yeah, I think it is serious here.

01:43:22:17 - 01:43:36:10
Andrew Nunn
Yeah. No, it's for my self-help. I just. I just. Yeah, I just concentrate on that. I focus on what I need to do. And part of that's every now and then just completely off writing a crappy fiction novel.

01:43:36:10 - 01:43:40:15
Daniel Franco
Yeah. Yeah. That's what give you a movie.

01:43:41:02 - 01:43:41:20
Daniel Franco
Book and plug.

01:43:41:21 - 01:43:52:20
Andrew Nunn
Are the dictionary of Lost Edition is is is not certainly a book. Local author. Amazing story. Pete Williams Yeah, it's fantastic. So yeah, by all means ever read. I think it's a great story.

01:43:54:24 - 01:44:18:03
Claire Parkinson
And mine's like he's smiling. I'm actually I do walk for Gully a few nights a week with my girlfriends and we about all kinds of movies and books. And the one that came up recently was eight Love Pride. And I felt decidedly uneducated that I'd never seen or heard of it, despite Julia Roberts. So I read that and I love it.

01:44:18:14 - 01:44:43:14
Claire Parkinson
And it's it's very typical for, you know, a middle aged woman is going through another change of life circumstances. And I actually really, really love it. And my favorite quote is being happy in unhappiness. Mm hmm. Yeah, I loved it. You've got to watch it if you haven't already. You've Got to see Love by. I'm like, Where has that been all my life?

01:44:43:20 - 01:44:45:21
Claire Parkinson
Which again, actually brilliant.

01:44:46:16 - 01:44:56:19
Daniel Franco
If you can have coffee with one historical current or historical figure, who would it be?

01:44:56:19 - 01:44:58:02

Maybe Albert Einstein.

01:44:58:08 - 01:44:58:14
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

01:44:59:12 - 01:45:00:10
Eloise Hall
We share a birthday.

01:45:00:21 - 01:45:02:00
Daniel Franco
I just. Oh.

01:45:02:19 - 01:45:05:02
Claire Parkinson
Surprising.

01:45:05:02 - 01:45:20:00

I just, you know, phenomenal. Yeah, mine is. Percy is a, you know, just a slob guy like everybody else otherwise. But his mind was just almost superhuman. Another half hour, I think.

01:45:20:00 - 01:45:20:01
Daniel Franco
He.

01:45:21:00 - 01:45:24:11

Just had been in his presence.

01:45:24:11 - 01:45:24:17
Daniel Franco
Life.

01:45:26:07 - 01:45:57:14
Eloise Hall
I feel like this man is still alive. But Benjamin friends. So he was. I believe, the prosecutor for one of the he prosecuted 20 as Nazis. Really? And he I just read his book the ten. Oh, I'm butchering this explanation so much. But his book was so fascinating how you had ten tips of life, essentially. And what I was really impressed was his intelligence.

01:45:57:14 - 01:46:20:20
Eloise Hall
And he could only prosecute 20 people. And so he picked the most educated of the group and started to understand, I guess, the reasoning behind the decision making in World War Two. And yeah, just like his commitment to justice was phenomenal and he just such a grip on the goodness of life as well and exchanging those kind of joys.

01:46:20:20 - 01:46:29:00
Eloise Hall
So yeah, it was the really nice balance understanding of justice and joy, which I feel like is kind of rare to see in one person.

01:46:29:23 - 01:46:32:00
Daniel Franco
Brilliant.

01:46:32:00 - 01:46:38:03
Claire Parkinson
Claire Oh, so many in my head. I want to shake Prince Harry, but I'm not going to be a prince.

01:46:38:03 - 01:46:38:22
Daniel Franco
Please don't say.

01:46:38:22 - 01:46:41:13
Claire Parkinson
That. I'm like, I'm like, Get a new PR person.

01:46:42:09 - 01:46:44:00
Daniel Franco
I don't think.

01:46:45:24 - 01:47:34:02
Claire Parkinson
I think I'd probably say Robin Williams. And the reason for that is the world. I'm sure his family knew, but the world didn't know, you know, and you've got this talent, which is, you know, just remarkable. And he had a darkness about him that we were sheltered from. And I'd just like to talk to him and see what we can learn or whether we could have done something differently, because there'll be a lot of people, children and adults around the world looking at him and wondering why and what hope they have if this rich, you know, seemingly perfect life, talented human, had no choice but to take his life when he was diagnosed with an

01:47:34:02 - 01:47:55:12
Claire Parkinson
illness and, you know, when he suffered with, you know, depression. I just I just would love to just have time with him to see if we can use that to impact others in a way we needed to shift how we operate around people that are vulnerable and hide. Well, yes, I think he'd be my he'd be my go to I.

01:47:55:12 - 01:48:03:06
Daniel Franco
Just watched Goodwill again people I think. Yeah. And the role he played was just fascinating.

01:48:03:12 - 01:48:03:15
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

01:48:03:17 - 01:48:10:01
Daniel Franco
And it's not like he's a comedian, Right. But this role of this in and deep human being.

01:48:10:12 - 01:48:16:21

He's unbelievable a lot of depressed people turn to comedy. Yeah that's the heart of their outlet.

01:48:16:22 - 01:48:20:01
Daniel Franco
Yeah. So clown Yeah yeah, yeah. Mm.

01:48:20:06 - 01:48:21:03
Daniel Franco
Andrew who would you.

01:48:21:24 - 01:48:24:09
Andrew Nunn
I know My son would say I should say Taylor Swift.

01:48:26:06 - 01:48:26:15
Daniel Franco
And.

01:48:27:08 - 01:48:38:09
Andrew Nunn
And I would actually really love David chat with Barack Obama one time. I think he's an interesting guy, but I'm going to be really boring to say I'd love to have a coffee. My dad because he died years ago, but I miss him.

01:48:38:15 - 01:48:44:20
Daniel Franco
Yeah. Thank you for the scream.

01:48:44:20 - 01:48:49:10
Daniel Franco
I'm going to skip the cup because I am conscious, severe, everyone's time. What habit holds you back? The most.

01:48:50:03 - 01:48:50:09
Daniel Franco
Of.

01:48:52:11 - 01:48:55:02
Andrew Nunn
Saying yes. You got to stop saying yes. They really.

01:48:55:24 - 01:48:56:06
Daniel Franco
Thank.

01:48:56:06 - 01:48:57:13
Daniel Franco
You for saying yesterday. No, but.

01:48:57:24 - 01:49:05:19
Andrew Nunn
That's. But you know you can only do so much right?

01:49:05:19 - 01:49:07:00
Claire Parkinson
Self doubt.

01:49:08:17 - 01:49:09:07
Daniel Franco
Of Yeah.

01:49:10:08 - 01:49:19:08
Eloise Hall
Yeah I was going to say imposter syndrome similar just never giving yourself the space to do it. No Questioning yourself.

01:49:19:08 - 01:49:19:18
Claire Parkinson
Yeah yeah.

01:49:20:16 - 01:49:28:13

For me it's sometimes being a loner not getting out, talking to people. I'm able to mask that.

01:49:28:13 - 01:49:29:01
Daniel Franco
Well.

01:49:30:08 - 01:49:34:20

My inclination is to sit on my tractor up in my life and not talk to people.

01:49:34:20 - 01:49:35:07
Eloise Hall
That doesn't.

01:49:36:02 - 01:49:36:17
Daniel Franco
Sounds boring.

01:49:36:17 - 01:49:44:01
Claire Parkinson
And how many seats is it got just coming?

01:49:44:01 - 01:49:45:06
Daniel Franco
What's your biggest pet peeve.

01:49:47:18 - 01:49:54:16

On South Australian Road Works? It's like the intersection of all the problems I have for that one.

01:49:55:04 - 01:49:55:18
Daniel Franco
And it's.

01:49:55:21 - 01:50:07:23

So, so expensive and slow and to watch people not work while I'm sitting in my car, it's so hard for me. My wife's had enough of it.

01:50:09:15 - 01:50:17:04
Eloise Hall
Dirty dishes in the sink. I'm fine with dirty dishes next to the sink, but when they're in the sink and they're collecting dirty water, it makes me still.

01:50:17:08 - 01:50:18:08
Daniel Franco
Have to deal with with.

01:50:19:22 - 01:50:20:18
Claire Parkinson
Greasy hand.

01:50:21:03 - 01:50:22:02
Andrew Nunn
There's got to be an I think.

01:50:22:02 - 01:50:22:14
Daniel Franco
If they set.

01:50:23:06 - 01:50:24:23
Daniel Franco
This up in the sink.

01:50:24:23 - 01:50:25:10
Daniel Franco
Hides.

01:50:25:16 - 01:50:26:00
Daniel Franco
Like.

01:50:26:14 - 01:50:36:09
Eloise Hall
Yeah, and that's what my housemates say. I'd rather see them dirty than put my hand in a cold bowlful doing some sink water. No, thanks. Yeah.

01:50:36:09 - 01:50:59:16
Claire Parkinson
Yeah. Haunted in Adelaide. Oh, like, you know, the horn is there as an emergency, only to stop an accident That's the law of the land. But the horn beeps all the time. Yeah, just about that much anger. The roads here are beautiful. There's no need for anger it's actually I can see butterflies and birds singing as I'm driving.

01:50:59:16 - 01:51:06:00
Claire Parkinson
You want to work in London a long time and it's just. It's. I don't get it.

01:51:06:04 - 01:51:07:12
Daniel Franco
No, I'm okay.

01:51:07:12 - 01:51:09:00
Daniel Franco
Know I use it to say goodbye.

01:51:10:02 - 01:51:13:05
Daniel Franco
It's happiness. Yeah, it's. It's the the.

01:51:14:18 - 01:51:19:20
Claire Parkinson
That's all We make the lights, you know. It's going to go great.

01:51:20:14 - 01:51:26:10
Daniel Franco
I know. I you. I've been here before. What is mine?

01:51:27:10 - 01:51:34:02
Andrew Nunn
I hear it a billion times a day. So the word ecosystem, it drives me insane. But that's Are I. We're going to do it. That's. That's cool.

01:51:35:03 - 01:51:36:11
Daniel Franco
I've that was. That was.

01:51:36:11 - 01:51:38:04
Daniel Franco
Actually another. What would you excuse me? Hey.

01:51:38:10 - 01:51:42:06
Daniel Franco
Sorry. What's the word I said?

01:51:42:06 - 01:51:43:00
Eloise Hall
Ecosystem.

01:51:43:07 - 01:51:44:07
Daniel Franco
Oh, okay.

01:51:45:11 - 01:51:59:21
Andrew Nunn
Because we're in a system that is great. The thing that frustrates me the most is that most of the back to the future outcomes of when we went forward. But I still don't have a hoverboard. And, you know, I just.

01:51:59:21 - 01:52:03:11
Daniel Franco
Always feel that is your bullet and just think, what should I like? I don't.

01:52:03:11 - 01:52:04:07
Andrew Nunn
Think it's inappropriate.

01:52:05:04 - 01:52:05:10
Daniel Franco
And.

01:52:05:11 - 01:52:06:00
Daniel Franco
It's that I.

01:52:06:02 - 01:52:06:20
Andrew Nunn
I can't be that.

01:52:06:24 - 01:52:07:12
Daniel Franco
So we.

01:52:07:12 - 01:52:09:05

Have to fly a flying car and a hoverboard.

01:52:09:17 - 01:52:12:13
Daniel Franco
And I think we can to rest many.

01:52:12:13 - 01:52:12:23
Andrew Nunn
Pieces.

01:52:13:02 - 01:52:14:10
Daniel Franco
Well well.

01:52:15:07 - 01:52:20:22
Daniel Franco
It's going to be two loud time flying cars. And what happens if one breaks down like been quit? Like, that's.

01:52:21:06 - 01:52:21:22

Call they are.

01:52:22:04 - 01:52:23:19
Daniel Franco
Yeah. But it's going to.

01:52:23:24 - 01:52:25:15
Daniel Franco
Kill people real actions is.

01:52:26:10 - 01:52:28:03
Daniel Franco
That anyway.

01:52:28:11 - 01:52:30:01
Claire Parkinson
Roads. Newsflash.

01:52:30:02 - 01:52:32:05
Daniel Franco
No way to put it, suicide.

01:52:32:05 - 01:52:52:02
Daniel Franco
Is a late term electromagnetic pulse that shoots through and from the sun or solar flare or something. Then everything falls from the sky. I think underground is the way. Which is why aliens go on with the tunnel. Boring. Yeah, I think he's worked it out. You know, it's not happening up there. It's going down under there. It's safer anyway.

01:52:53:08 - 01:52:56:04
Claire Parkinson
They're expensive tunnel boring machines.

01:52:56:04 - 01:52:57:19
Daniel Franco
You would not. Yeah. Yeah.

01:52:58:03 - 01:53:00:17
Daniel Franco
And they leave him in there. They put him out in it.

01:53:00:18 - 01:53:02:06
Daniel Franco
Yeah. What's one.

01:53:02:06 - 01:53:02:13
Daniel Franco
Way.

01:53:02:15 - 01:53:06:24

Absolute thing is building a new type of boring machine, right. Anyway, we won't.

01:53:06:24 - 01:53:11:14
Daniel Franco
Get it anyway. I'm actually not going to ask the risk because few of you is going to go wherever it's going.

01:53:11:14 - 01:53:15:04
Daniel Franco
Oh, my God. Glenn's having.

01:53:15:05 - 01:53:16:17
Daniel Franco
A fun in.

01:53:16:23 - 01:53:17:09
Andrew Nunn
Spite of that.

01:53:17:13 - 01:53:20:03
Daniel Franco
So what's one word that you absolutely hype.

01:53:20:22 - 01:53:21:05
Andrew Nunn
That one.

01:53:21:17 - 01:53:24:12
Daniel Franco
You've done your SO ecosystem with?

01:53:24:12 - 01:53:29:19
Claire Parkinson
Andrew, Can you come back to my uncle to give an appropriate level of influence?

01:53:29:19 - 01:53:32:07
Daniel Franco
Influence? Is that because of the social media aspect of it?

01:53:32:07 - 01:53:33:24
Daniel Franco
No, probably that.

01:53:34:09 - 01:53:35:20

When I saw I.

01:53:36:17 - 01:53:36:20
Daniel Franco
It's.

01:53:36:21 - 01:53:37:21

It's not a title.

01:53:38:20 - 01:53:42:08
Daniel Franco
It's not even an ambition.

01:53:42:08 - 01:53:52:09

It's the number one job that a lot of young people want. And so it has really dated me. So price is more about me than anything.

01:53:52:09 - 01:53:54:19
Daniel Franco
I love it. I love it. Yeah.

01:53:54:19 - 01:54:00:15
Eloise Hall
I actually we in the office throw a lot of shade on the word creator, which is the new for the.

01:54:00:17 - 01:54:02:12
Daniel Franco
Oh, wow. So there's.

01:54:02:19 - 01:54:15:03
Eloise Hall
There's been a progression that co-create is now which I just think is very ambiguous. Are you an artist, Are you a poet? Like, people pick a line, I think yeah.

01:54:15:22 - 01:54:18:09
Daniel Franco
If you could pay someone to do you choose what.

01:54:18:20 - 01:54:20:01
Daniel Franco
You like to come back with you like.

01:54:20:02 - 01:54:21:13
Claire Parkinson
Seriously.

01:54:21:13 - 01:54:24:11
Daniel Franco
I went that way and then I've got to come back to you. To my.

01:54:25:06 - 01:54:25:15
Daniel Franco
Right.

01:54:26:00 - 01:54:26:08
Eloise Hall
Mate.

01:54:26:13 - 01:54:42:16
Claire Parkinson
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to work in prisons, if you ever. Well, I never did. Some of the guys would say the prisoners mate And the amount of times the prisoners would say I. Inmate, don't call me mate. And I think that's affected me later in life because now when I hear my I'm like.

01:54:43:04 - 01:54:43:20
Eloise Hall
When I write.

01:54:44:14 - 01:54:44:20
Daniel Franco
My.

01:54:44:24 - 01:54:49:01
Claire Parkinson
I don't even know your name. Like it's fights in my life. I made.

01:54:49:17 - 01:54:50:10
Daniel Franco
My wife some.

01:54:50:10 - 01:54:52:03
Daniel Franco
Stuff, like when she gets into.

01:54:52:05 - 01:54:54:19
Daniel Franco
So when I.

01:54:55:03 - 01:54:55:16
Claire Parkinson
I'll be like.

01:54:56:02 - 01:54:56:15
Daniel Franco
My wife.

01:54:57:09 - 01:55:18:00
Daniel Franco
When she gets angry, she knows one way to piss me off is to say what, Are you doing mate? Or use like, call me mate. Yeah. I don't mind if anyone else calls me little wife calls me mate Yeah, I'm not. You might have. I am your husband, not your mate anyway. And he's in.

01:55:18:15 - 01:55:19:08

The org chart.

01:55:19:14 - 01:55:23:00
Daniel Franco
Yeah, right. Easy. Yeah. Yeah.

01:55:23:11 - 01:55:39:11
Daniel Franco
Oh, no. I use the word mate all the time. And it's just one person in this world and going, that is. Yeah, that's my pet peeve. And what as well, If you could pay someone to do one of your chores, which one would it be?

01:55:39:11 - 01:55:45:02
Claire Parkinson
Washing straight in my hair. Oh, my goodness. Curly hair. Yeah. And lots.

01:55:45:02 - 01:55:49:01
Daniel Franco
Of it. Right. We think we.

01:55:49:14 - 01:55:50:18

Get like that on big property.

01:55:51:01 - 01:55:51:06
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

01:55:52:01 - 01:55:52:20

I just don't like.

01:55:53:13 - 01:55:54:04
Daniel Franco
I don't think.

01:55:54:04 - 01:55:57:11
Daniel Franco
It even starts. Yeah.

01:55:57:11 - 01:56:15:24
Eloise Hall
I actually, I quite love doing chores like cleaning. It's meditative for me. Gardening. Love it. I'll send the gardener that. But the thing that I think of often, I wish someone could just wait for me during the day. You're desk in mid task any native way and you think like, well, I have to stop my day.

01:56:17:02 - 01:56:23:01
Daniel Franco
And just say it's fine, I'll pay for it. So but.

01:56:23:06 - 01:56:27:14
Eloise Hall
Oh yeah. But I don't mind cleaning them. Oh I don't like other people.

01:56:27:22 - 01:56:28:01
Daniel Franco
Want.

01:56:28:05 - 01:56:35:00
Eloise Hall
To think. Yeah that's, Yeah. When you amid like flow and work and everything it's you know you've got creative visions running.

01:56:35:09 - 01:56:36:02
Daniel Franco
A as a.

01:56:36:10 - 01:56:37:11
Eloise Hall
I mean it's not, it's.

01:56:37:11 - 01:56:38:02
Claire Parkinson
Distracting.

01:56:38:03 - 01:56:40:19
Eloise Hall
It's something that you wish you didn't have during the day.

01:56:41:03 - 01:56:42:15
Daniel Franco
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:56:43:20 - 01:56:54:15
Andrew Nunn
What's mine. I would love that to be a way where dishes get from the dishwasher into the cupboard. Yeah. Where I do it 50 times a day. And every time I look at it.

01:56:55:05 - 01:56:57:16
Daniel Franco
I got this whole. Yeah.

01:56:57:21 - 01:57:08:07
Claire Parkinson
And how often do you get caught out with something that's collected water and you didn't spot it on like the lunch box. You take it out and it's all over the place. The water you like. I didn't see that.

01:57:08:08 - 01:57:09:07
Daniel Franco
Yeah. Or the.

01:57:09:07 - 01:57:16:17
Andrew Nunn
Other thing. Is it going back to dishwasher, this really dishwasher thing. I love it. Stick dry. You know, there's one thing I just. It needs to be a.

01:57:16:17 - 01:57:16:23
Daniel Franco
Great.

01:57:16:23 - 01:57:21:05
Andrew Nunn
Swedish precision thing. Think. Yeah. And it drives me insane. But.

01:57:21:06 - 01:57:22:10
Daniel Franco
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:57:22:17 - 01:57:24:15
Andrew Nunn
Yeah. My wife does that of just pure spot.

01:57:24:16 - 01:57:25:02
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

01:57:25:20 - 01:57:32:07
Daniel Franco
My wife's about to turn the dishwasher on and there's still 20 dishes in the dishwasher. And. And I look at it, I'm like, I can make both feet.

01:57:32:07 - 01:57:44:10
Daniel Franco
Don't remember. Sorry. You might put the water on a lead in the sink. Always. Also, like.

01:57:44:10 - 01:57:49:08
Daniel Franco
Here's when I'm in, I'm going to enjoy, I think. What's the first thing that you would do if you became invisible?

01:57:49:18 - 01:57:50:03
Claire Parkinson
You think.

01:57:50:19 - 01:58:00:16

Oh, I would. I would get into the sounds terrible in the Chinese government.

01:58:01:04 - 01:58:01:14
Daniel Franco
And figure.

01:58:01:14 - 01:58:04:03

Out what they're doing. And after one Mandarin.

01:58:06:03 - 01:58:08:20
Daniel Franco
Think, yeah, that's a good one or the roadworks people and figuring.

01:58:09:12 - 01:58:11:13

Out what's going on the road bridge people that.

01:58:12:20 - 01:58:13:05
Daniel Franco
Rub it.

01:58:13:05 - 01:58:14:17
Daniel Franco
Off the block again.

01:58:14:17 - 01:58:15:16
Andrew Nunn
So we're not doing that.

01:58:15:16 - 01:58:28:15
Daniel Franco
Right anyway, what would I do? Nadia Terrible.

01:58:28:20 - 01:58:31:08
Daniel Franco
Your brain's going in a way that I don't want it to go, like.

01:58:32:10 - 01:59:07:11
Claire Parkinson
Around the world, like, where do I start? I would actually, just because I. I love, I love the the drama of other people's drama. I would actually really love to be in the conversation with King Charles about Harry and Meghan and how they managing cluster that is currently happening. I would love to have to just help the thought processes around how do we crisis manage this?

01:59:07:23 - 01:59:22:14
Claire Parkinson
How do we do it. Wow yeah that would be wouldn't add any value to life at all for anything philanthropic. But I just from a satisfaction I'd love to just see it all playing out in Yeah yeah be fun.

01:59:23:13 - 01:59:24:07
Andrew Nunn
I got nothing.

01:59:24:08 - 01:59:26:21
Daniel Franco
I can't think of anything. I definitely do. Well, I.

01:59:28:02 - 01:59:28:20
Andrew Nunn
If you get.

01:59:28:20 - 01:59:51:10
Eloise Hall
Me. Oh, yeah, I'm struggling. I'm thinking, like, if I'm similar, like just for the self-satisfaction, I think. I'd love to be on a movie set or a drama series. Sit in behind stage of some concert just to see what it's like, just out of curiosity. But then I think you never meet your heroes. Like you don't want to see that as well.

01:59:51:11 - 02:00:00:03
Eloise Hall
You want to see the the final product. I just I just love arts and drama. The love to know what it's like to. Yeah.

02:00:00:18 - 02:00:02:02
Daniel Franco
Yeah, I got nothing.

02:00:02:04 - 02:00:03:18
Daniel Franco
So I'm going.

02:00:03:18 - 02:00:15:23
Daniel Franco
To sell to the last question, which is what did your best dad slash among Jared Kushner? And I will prepare for that. I do not.

02:00:15:23 - 02:00:17:15
Daniel Franco
Yeah. So he's ready.

02:00:17:17 - 02:00:18:18
Daniel Franco
Really He's got one at all.

02:00:19:08 - 02:00:20:00
Daniel Franco
So. Yeah.

02:00:20:07 - 02:00:33:14

And I tried to go see my prostate doctor and, and he said, well, you know, I'm going to have to do a prostate check, put the rubber gloves on. And I said, Whoa, I want a second opinion. Is that okay? I used to think.

02:00:33:24 - 02:00:35:23
Daniel Franco
Yeah.

02:00:35:23 - 02:00:36:06
Claire Parkinson
He said.

02:00:36:18 - 02:00:41:08
Daniel Franco
I think it's a bad joke that.

02:00:41:13 - 02:00:46:09
Andrew Nunn
I have, I guess who I bumped into on my way to getting my glasses fixed.

02:00:47:06 - 02:00:51:03
Daniel Franco
Everyone but that.

02:00:51:18 - 02:00:54:06
Claire Parkinson
The chicken crossed the right way to get to the other side.

02:00:54:06 - 02:00:57:09
Daniel Franco
Oh, so is that all you've got?

02:00:57:23 - 02:01:00:00
Claire Parkinson
That's the only appropriate one to go.

02:01:00:00 - 02:01:04:24
Daniel Franco
Totally inappropriate. All right. No, I gave.

02:01:05:13 - 02:01:26:10
Eloise Hall
A bad joke. So a monkey walks into the bar and he asks the bartender, Can I have a banana? And the bartender goes, No, you got have a banana. We don't sell bananas in your monkey. Get out my bar. So he leaves and he comes back the next day and he goes, Hey, can I have a banana? And he goes, I've told you, mate, we don't sell bananas and you're a monkey.

02:01:26:10 - 02:01:43:17
Eloise Hall
I can't serve you. Get out of my bar. He Comes back the third day and he says, The monkey asked bartender, Can I please have a banana? And the bartender goes, My, I've told you three times now we, don't sell bananas. You're a monkey. I can't serve you. If you come back tomorrow, I'm going to now you tongue to the wall.

02:01:43:18 - 02:01:54:21
Eloise Hall
Get out of my bar. So the monkey comes back the fourth day and he asks the bartender. Hey, mate, do you have any nails? And the bartender goes, No. And he goes, Oh, can I have a banana?

02:01:54:21 - 02:01:58:01
Daniel Franco
That that's a.

02:01:58:10 - 02:01:58:21
Daniel Franco
Comment.

02:01:59:14 - 02:02:00:09
Daniel Franco
There you again.

02:02:01:09 - 02:02:29:04
Daniel Franco
Look, thank you very much for everyone coming on today. This is obviously something means a lot to me to invite you guys here. And again, I'm just actually really thankful of not you agreeing to not only going to come on the podcast, but thankful of the relationships that we've developed over the past couple of years. And and I look forward to everything that we can do together in the future and how we can work together and continue conversations.

02:02:29:04 - 02:02:41:05
Daniel Franco
So yeah, I'm really excited about what the future holds for the business that I work in. And then the podcast itself, and I hope that you can all be part of it moving forward. So thanks again for everything.

02:02:41:06 - 02:02:41:16
Daniel Franco
Thank you.

02:02:41:18 - 02:02:42:00
Eloise Hall
Thank you.

02:02:42:20 - 02:02:44:22
Daniel Franco
Thank you for.

02:02:45:09 - 02:02:55:08
Daniel Franco
It. Thank you. Thank you natural. And thank you Gabs, for all your efforts in the 100 podcasts. You're an absolute superstar. I really appreciate you.

02:02:56:08 - 02:02:58:02
Daniel Franco
Thank you. Everyone takes care.